Where on the S-shaped curve are we? I am curious if one day the paradigm that brought forth the current chatbots has to be abandoned because it's reached his limits, and a new approach will replace it. But certainly it has inspired the field of AI massively and I expect many new developments which will lead is into a future that resembles sci-fi books and movies. I am also interested in what good sci-fi will look lik…
Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because exponentials will eventually break the laws of physics. For instance there is a relationship between information and energy, so a system processing an exponential amount of information will need an exponential amount of energy, which the universe will eventually run out of.
At this point we know very little and we have to leave it to the AIs to determine if physics has any limits.
That's a tall order. Despite all the fancy news headlines, which I must admit gave me existential anxiety at some point, it seems that AI still can't truly make a discovery. Also I really don't know if we know little or a lot, how can we really tell ? It could be argued we actually know a lot because it is ridiculously hard to make an actual big breakthrough in physics.
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#23What's a large language model doing when it's not being queried? Am I correct that they only compute information when dealing with a prompt? If so, that seems like a fundamental flaw. An actual "thinking machine" would be constantly running computations on its accumulated experience in order to improve its future output.
No, unfortunately it doesn't learn online. It forgets everything after each interaction. They can collect the data and retrain later, but the hard part is doing all the fine-tuning steps all over again and ensuring the new model has no regressions. GPT3.5 and 4 are years out of date, an unfortunate situation when generating code or asking about recent events. And now they removed the search plugin, probably they got…
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#24Where on the S-shaped curve are we? I am curious if one day the paradigm that brought forth the current chatbots has to be abandoned because it's reached his limits, and a new approach will replace it. But certainly it has inspired the field of AI massively and I expect many new developments which will lead is into a future that resembles sci-fi books and movies. I am also interested in what good sci-fi will look lik…
After this hype cycle ends, things will probably bump along slowly for a decade or so, then suddenly you’ll look up and they’ll be everywhere, and you’ll wonder “when did that happen?”
At least that’s the way it felt for other technologies to me. Internet, Bluetooth, cell phones, etc.
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#25Where on the S-shaped curve are we? I am curious if one day the paradigm that brought forth the current chatbots has to be abandoned because it's reached his limits, and a new approach will replace it. But certainly it has inspired the field of AI massively and I expect many new developments which will lead is into a future that resembles sci-fi books and movies. I am also interested in what good sci-fi will look lik…
Tangent: It has always annoyed me that a sigmoid curve does not look like a sigma, and it doesn't really look much like an S either. Just the middle part of an S. Am I missing something?
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#26This is the Real Deal, but not in away you would imagine. So far "nigerian email spam" was easy to recognize. Grammar mistakes, bad translation, very bad wording... But now every fringe group, can generate gigabytes of text and arguments that make sense! This is the end of debate, consensus and interactive communication, as we know it! Similar moment was in Africa in 1960, after they got AK45 and other cheap weapons.…
Maybe LLMs free up intellectual bandwidth for some, but what will we do with that increased productivity? Mostly scams for now, but I'm sure it'll be able to find many other net-negative or wealth-extraction applications.
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#27> Study Deep Blue’s 1997 defeat of world chess champion Garry Kasparov, and your excitement about how quickly this technology would take over other cognitive work would wane as you learned just how much brute human force went into fine-tuning the software specifically to beat Kasparov. That was ~26 yeas ago. In the intervening 26 years humans have been curb-stomped so hard at chess that certain microwaves might be co…
When you have to manually input the scores for the various board positions, feels much less exciting.
Robotics is behind in making a 'human'.
Even AlphaGo had a human moving the pieces, and nobody would say that was evidence of any 'lack' in the AI.
It's just an interfacing issue, engineering will eventually solve.
Edit> What I was getting at. Take Robots as the physical interface layer for the AI. AI advancements are currently outpacing advancements in Robotics. So potentially AI could use real humans as the 'hands and feet' to do things in the physical world, by giving directions. Something will be needed to bridge the gap until Industry can be done completely by robots. Until then, AI wont be able to manufacture itself.
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#28Where on the S-shaped curve are we? I am curious if one day the paradigm that brought forth the current chatbots has to be abandoned because it's reached his limits, and a new approach will replace it. But certainly it has inspired the field of AI massively and I expect many new developments which will lead is into a future that resembles sci-fi books and movies. I am also interested in what good sci-fi will look lik…
No-one knows.
We can however make educated guesses based on:
- Extrapolating the last couple of years of progress.
- Scientific studies of LLM quality scaling in proportion to input data size, parameter count, and total training compute ops.
- How much more training data is available.
- Reasonable budgets, especially the cost-efficiency of inference, which appears to be more limiting than training, especially for long-term usage and profitability.
- Efficiencies such as 4-bit quantization, algorithmic improvements, etc...
Based on the above, there is at least a factor of 10x scaling available in many directions within a year or two, but not likely all at once. E.g.: 10x context window size at the same intelligence level? Sure! 10x inference speed? Doable! 10x cost reduction? Coming soon!
All at once? Not yet, and not for a while. Everyone is hardware constrained, and demand is pushing up prices and limiting the training scale maximums.
Maximum intelligence is much harder to predict. The current generation of AIs are trained on human-authored text as their input data. They're trained to predict that text. That means that they're "blurry JPEGs of the Internet". More training might make them "sharper JPEGs", but not necessarily smarter because the Internet didn't get smarter.
They'll better model humans, but they'll still be modelling humans, not superhumans.
That can be fixed with self-training, etc... but that will take a lot longer. I'm guessing 5-10 years, which is in line with the predictions of AI futurists that seem to know what they're talking about.
Many of our jobs will remain safe... for now.
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#29Where on the S-shaped curve are we? I am curious if one day the paradigm that brought forth the current chatbots has to be abandoned because it's reached his limits, and a new approach will replace it. But certainly it has inspired the field of AI massively and I expect many new developments which will lead is into a future that resembles sci-fi books and movies. I am also interested in what good sci-fi will look lik…
Tangent: It has always annoyed me that a sigmoid curve does not look like a sigma, and it doesn't really look much like an S either. Just the middle part of an S. Am I missing something?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you have to manually input the scores for the various board positions, feels much less exciting.
That is just the physical layer. Robotics is behind in making a 'human'. Even AlphaGo had a human moving the pieces, and nobody would say that was evidence of any 'lack' in the AI. It's just an interfacing issue, engineering will eventually solve. Edit> What I was getting at. Take Robots as the physical interface layer for the AI. AI advancements are currently outpacing advancements in Robotics. So potentially AI cou…