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IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Zetice wrote: post #439
Dylan16807 wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just because you don’t know how to write a Discord bot doesn’t mean it’s meaningfully difficult due to it requiring a different account type, in fact that makes it easier in many respects. The difficult part isn't writing it. It's getting in a situation to use it. > And in the case we’re discussing, you run the server and can freely allow whatever you want. You seem confused. The very first complaint in the big pos…

Sorry but you've completely lost the plot here. We're talking about using Discord vs using IRC as a means of capturing company documentation, and in this task Discord is superior in every meaningful way. You could use a bot to push everything to a persistent, searchable location, and as a corporation this would be braindead easy. Obviously you wouldn't want to push private convos, so your continued reference to them…

> Sorry but you've completely lost the plot here. We're talking about using Discord vs using IRC as a means of capturing company documentation, and in this task Discord is superior in every meaningful way.

No, I just double checked all the way back to the start of this thread, that's not right.

People made very general complaints, and you said bots solve all their problems. You also said that Discord matches or beats IRC in all situations.

I agree that discord bots will solve that particular problem.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Zetice »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #441
Zetice wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but you've completely lost the plot here. We're talking about using Discord vs using IRC as a means of capturing company documentation, and in this task Discord is superior in every meaningful way. You could use a bot to push everything to a persistent, searchable location, and as a corporation this would be braindead easy. Obviously you wouldn't want to push private convos, so your continued reference to them…

> Sorry but you've completely lost the plot here. We're talking about using Discord vs using IRC as a means of capturing company documentation, and in this task Discord is superior in every meaningful way. No, I just double checked all the way back to the start of this thread, that's not right. People made very general complaints, and you said bots solve all their problems. You also said that Discord matches or beats…

"All your problems" when in response to a specific list of problems means "all of the problems listed" not "literally every conceivable problem".

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Zetice »

eropple wrote: post #437
Zetice wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You either have a problem or you don’t; since you complained, you do have a problem, and it absolutely is on you to fix. The “basic human interaction” you are failing to understand here is that you’re refusing to accept your role in fixing your own issues. Nobody is obligated to help you, and it’s frankly insulting to presume someone else ought to do anything about your problem for you. The open source community does…

I have participated in open-source communities for over a decade now. It is likely--not guaranteed, but pretty likely--that I have written more open-source code, both for money and not, than you have. And I am befuddled how you are so toweringly angry about something you're interpreting so directly backwards. I am not saying that IRC has to change to suit me. I never said that. I am saying that IRC is unfit for my pu…

None of this changes at all the objective fact that IRC is an open source protocol that you can either adopt in the form of writing a client that's to your satisfaction, or propose changes to the protocol sufficient to resolve your remaining issues with it.

Either you agree with this and recognize your complaints as moot, or you disagree with this and your complaints end up being recognized as incessant, entitled whining about a problem you want someone else to solve for you.

What's shameful is that you're more likely doing the latter than the former, and seem to think you're immune to this because you've worked on open source projects in the past. You're not.

I don't personally give a shit about if you use IRC or not, I just saw your comment and decided to point out the entitled attitude it seemed to present. I haven't used IRC in years.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Zetice wrote: post #442
Dylan16807 wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry but you've completely lost the plot here. We're talking about using Discord vs using IRC as a means of capturing company documentation, and in this task Discord is superior in every meaningful way. No, I just double checked all the way back to the start of this thread, that's not right. People made very general complaints, and you said bots solve all their problems. You also said that Discord matches or beats…

"All your problems" when in response to a specific list of problems means "all of the problems listed" not "literally every conceivable problem".

General logging was in the specific list of problems. Servers you're not in control of were an explicit part of point number 1.

Bots can possibly solve the issue of "I need to get logs of arbitrary channels I'm in", but discord in particular makes it difficult in a way that IRC does not.

Discord is in some ways much worse than IRC for logging.

It's also better in some ways. But there are important differences in each direction.

Discord could largely solve this with a ToS change. But until that happens, it's a problem.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Zetice »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #444
Zetice wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All your problems" when in response to a specific list of problems means "all of the problems listed" not "literally every conceivable problem".

General logging was in the specific list of problems . Servers you're not in control of were an explicit part of point number 1. Bots can possibly solve the issue of "I need to get logs of arbitrary channels I'm in", but discord in particular makes it difficult in a way that IRC does not. Discord is in some ways much worse than IRC for logging. It's also better in some ways. But there are important differences in eac…

And a bot solves "general logging" entirely, given the context of the comment I originally replied to.

ToS is irrelevant. This is not a problem to any competent user of Discord for the purpose outlined in the comment I originally replied to.

You are flat wrong here, and doubling down doesn't change this.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by nmz »

doix wrote: post #19

My friends and I started a private IRC server when we were in university and still use it to this day (15ish years later). We also used to run a ventrilo server that quickly got replaced by mumble. I can't see us ever switching to discord. IRC was always a pretty big part of my life, it's where I got into organized quake/cs1.6/Dota matches. I'm not as involved in hardcore gaming now, but I suspect that's all been rep…

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