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Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by audunw »

HWR_14 wrote: post #139
93po wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The premise is that you can make spam filtering and bot filtering and circles of trust work if you have a finite amount of accounts. Currently on the internet there are infinite accounts. If there's only a billion accounts, filtering becomes much easier.

And all the poor people who sold their accounts when that seemed to have no cost for $50 (which is real money) are locked out of the internet forever

No idea how world coin is supposed to work.. but couldn’t they get their account back by scanning their iris again? Like, I’m guessing you’re not supposed to have to scan your iris every time you use your account. But can’t the iris be like a “I forgot my password” mechanism?

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by blitzar »

ascorbic wrote: post #144
Atotalnoob wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is the CEO, and according to levels.fyi, they give out stock grants. Why on earth would the CEO not get a stock grant when the entry level SWEs do?

He's said that he doesn't take any stock. I don't know why so many people thing this is strange. He's already immensely rich. While this role might not make him richer, but it does give him huge amounts of power and influence.

Richness comes in many flavours other than $$$s. As you point out huge amounts of power and influence - something money cant buy.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by cwkoss »

b1n wrote: post #92
lolinder wrote: post #9

> While Worldcoin may have developed an algorithm that reliably distinguishes unique irises among its test pool, it’s not clear that it will work with a pool orders of magnitude larger. This is a really key problem. The main application of biometrics today is in cell phones, and for those we operate on the assumption that we're trying to distinguish between the authorized user and a quite small pool of non-authorized…

This is assuming you are trying to create a perfect system. The "good enough" version of this solves most Sibil Attacks[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack

I have very little faith that orbs can't be fooled by synthetic irises.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by WeylandYutani »

hef19898 wrote: post #44
qingcharles wrote: post #21

This image (FTA) is straight out of some insane dystopian nightmare: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr... That the photo represents a real event in real reality is absurd o_O

Some people take cyberpunk as entertainment, some as a paraody, some as a warning, some as all of the above. And some take it as blue print worth pursueing. EDIT: The while premise of needing a nin-centralized wax of confirming ones identity is, at its core, deeply un-demicratic. As of bow, government issued documentation confirms anyones identiy. These governments can be democratic, and are. Puting a different syste…

I've always seen libertarians not as pursuers of freedom but as people who want to replace the police with a private security force.

Libertarians want to live in a world where they are accountable to no-one. It's the ultimate conclusion of capitalism: wealth makes right. Serfdom and (sexual) exploitation for those of us who are not rich.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by HWR_14 »

audunw wrote: post #151
HWR_14 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And all the poor people who sold their accounts when that seemed to have no cost for $50 (which is real money) are locked out of the internet forever

No idea how world coin is supposed to work.. but couldn’t they get their account back by scanning their iris again? Like, I’m guessing you’re not supposed to have to scan your iris every time you use your account. But can’t the iris be like a “I forgot my password” mechanism?

AFAIK, nope. If that was the case there would be no point in buying anyone's account. If you stored value in it they could always use their iris to get into it.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by JohnFen »

panarky wrote: post #78
_9omd wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t imagine how naive you have to be to not see account selling as a massive problem. Especially when your plan is to first onboard users in poor countries. Why would these people do anything other than signup and immediately sell their accounts, for what may amount to a month or two of normal pay, just for waiting in line and getting scanned. I find it crazy that they claimed their system is Sybil resistant when…

> sweet sweet VC money Sure, yeah, maybe that's all it is, a scam that's totally transparent and obvious to every random internet commenter but totally non-obvious to the simple and gullible marks on Sand Hill Road. Or maybe, just possibly, there might be more to it. Perhaps it takes a little more effort to understand than just piling on to the reflexive groupthink cynicism which passes for conventional wisdom around…

> Perhaps it takes a little more effort to understand

If that's the case, then isn't it on WorldCoin to educate us? Their communications so far have apparently been insufficient, if people are rejecting the scheme merely because they don't understand it.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by JohnFen »

_9omd wrote: post #63

Remember, Sam Altman is the guy who made open AI into closed AI, and he’s the cofounder of this. If you think he has any intent of making this an open decentralized system that benefits people you’re likely mistaken.

It was Sam Altman being behind WorldCoin that made me very suspicious of OpenAI when I learned he was involved with that, too.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by JohnFen »

snapey wrote: post #89

If AI becomes sophisticated enough to take our jobs, then it should be capable of creating a system that solves UBI at scale.

The problem with implementing UBI at scale isn't a technological one, it's a sociopolitical one. I don't see how an AI can be of much help there.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Post by JohnFen »

great_psy wrote: post #123

Does anybody know if the actual iris information gets stored, or it’s just a hash of it ? Seems like there is no reason why the iris picture needs to be stored. But I’m not sure of the whole use case

It's a hash. But that doesn't eliminate the serious privacy issues with it.
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