Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a tip/gift/bonus/incentive for people to give away their data. And since this is a game of numbers, they knew that throwing $10-20-30 USD to about 400mn people in poor countries they would get the momentum going. I expect Europeans to shun this. I fear though that once they hit "1bn people" they will invoke the FOMO into the rest.
> I fear though that once they hit "1bn people" they will invoke the FOMO into the rest. Over a billion humans have intestinal parasites, but that doesn't mean people are queuing up for worm eggs.
Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
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Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#112I am going to be downvoted to death, but it is clear from last year events that Sam Altman is truly that kind of "Blade Runner/Robocop(1)"-like antagonist character that has a narcissistic drive to destroy the world just so he can show everybody he is saving it. (1) Pick your 80's Sci-Fi movie dystopia that fits here.
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an article about Worlcoin, Sam Altman's pet project, and OP is sharing an anecdote about Sam Altman. Not sure why you find this so confusing, but I'll be happy to walk you through it slowly.
It's not clear whether or not he talked to Sam Altman in his/her "pre-interview". If I had a pre-interview for a job at Amazon, does that mean I have a Jeff Bezos story?
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#114I do not understand how this is supposed to prevent sibyl attacks? How do they prevent fake virtual iris scanning devices from pretending that they scanned a person that doesn’t actually exist? Or is the idea that sama is will run a centralised private identity system that aims to replace government identity management? Then why do you need crypto? Are they trying to replace proof of stake/proof of work with “proof o…
I think fake iris scanning is the least of the concerns here. The big problem, and likely reason this will fail, is there’s nothing preventing you from selling your account for a small fee after getting your initial scan to set it up. And that’s likely exactly what will happen, because they’re onboarding users in poor countries first. These users don’t give a shit about world coin, they’re simply lining up and being…
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#115Remember, Sam Altman is the guy who made open AI into closed AI, and he’s the cofounder of this. If you think he has any intent of making this an open decentralized system that benefits people you’re likely mistaken.
I would not trust someone who claims they are working on a project that benefits people. I would be less suspicious of someone working on a selfish project that might benefit people as a side effect.
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#116>there is no “password reset” when it comes to iris data This is the most critical part, I think. If my Iris scan is leaked (which is not hard to do, from modified Orbs, similar to credit card skimmers, to mobsters scanning people's irises under threat of death), my identity will be stolen and I can't do anything about it. Do they have at least some sort of 2FA?
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#117It doesn't store biometric data. It doesn't store any information that is useful to anyone for any purpose. The only thing it can do is tell if your iris has been scanned before. That's it. It can't reproduce what your iris looks like and can't sell any useful data about it to anyone.
It does in fact allow online activity with privacy and while remaining anonymous. There is no way to link accounts between sites unless you do so yourself.
Yes, people will sell accounts. This is fine because it still solves the problem of people being able to make infinite accounts online at present. It still creates a barrier of entry for spam where there currently is often very little or none. Inauthentic behavior online will continue but not at the rampant pace it currently has.
There's lots more I could say but I'm not going to change minds that aren't open to rational discussion and instead engage in the perpetual outrage machine that is social media and corporate news. If you have genuine curious questions that aren't easily answered by their website, feel free to ask and I will answer as best I can.
I have no affiliation other than I'm working on a personal project with their API.
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#118It's exhausting refuting everyone's misconceptions. I will simply say that most people, which probably includes you, don't understand the entirety of how this project works and you therefore make assumptions that are incorrect. It doesn't store biometric data. It doesn't store any information that is useful to anyone for any purpose. The only thing it can do is tell if your iris has been scanned before. That's it. It…
> It doesn't store biometric data.
She addresses this: they do in fact store the biometric scans if you opt in, and they strongly encourage you to opt in because if you don't you'll have to periodically reverify as they tweak the algorithm.
> It doesn't store any information that is useful to anyone for any purpose. The only thing it can do is tell if your iris has been scanned before. That's it. It can't reproduce what your iris looks like and can't sell any useful data about it to anyone.
As Molly points out, you're making a huge assumption that this number that uniquely identifies your iris isn't useful information to sell to someone (or for someone to hack).
> Yes, people will sell accounts. This is fine because it still solves the problem of people being able to make infinite accounts online at present. It still creates a barrier of entry for spam where there currently is often very little or none. Inauthentic behavior online will continue but not at the rampant pace it currently has.
This is where the project really needs to figure out what it's actually trying to do. If the goal is simply to reduce inauthentic behavior on the ETH chain, then it's possible that you are right that sale of accounts doesn't matter. But if the goal is to provide some sort of UBI system, the fact that it has no way to verify who is using the account after its initial creation is a huge huge problem that will lead to massive amounts of corruption and harm if they succeed at implementing the kind of worldwide UBI they're talking about. Just look at what happens to humanitarian aid that goes into territory controlled by warlords: that's what we're talking about.
Again, Molly addresses this, so it feels like you didn't read her article.
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#119> While Worldcoin may have developed an algorithm that reliably distinguishes unique irises among its test pool, it’s not clear that it will work with a pool orders of magnitude larger. This is a really key problem. The main application of biometrics today is in cell phones, and for those we operate on the assumption that we're trying to distinguish between the authorized user and a quite small pool of non-authorized…
This is assuming you are trying to create a perfect system. The "good enough" version of this solves most Sibil Attacks[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack
If the goal of this is really as ambitious as they claim, with every single person on the planet getting UBI through it, their biometric system needs to be strict enough to not conflate two people and flexible enough to match the same iris when scanned a second time for verification. I don't believe the tech is there.
Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am all for privacy and encrypted communications. Until a legitimate law enforcement.... So you're against encryption then. Simple as that. > Outsourcing some, or all of that to some VC backed companies, facilitating access for the various intelligence agencies, is what I have a problem with. I also have a problem with that. We should aim to build systems that are resistant to all attackers, even intelligence agen…
What mechanism prevents the government from “un-person-ing” someone if Worldcoin was used as the global identity system?