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US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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>We need neighborhoods that people want to be in for reasons other than work! Every other reason eventually boils down to this very point. Turns out, specialized districts were a massive city planning mistake.

Dunno. I don’t need a cement plant on my block.

No, but a restaurant and grocery store around the corner would nice.

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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I’ve been a remote engineer for over a decade, but only recently switched to a hybrid schedule on Tuesdays and Thursdays. IMO, these two days are effectively useless for any kind of productive technical work. There are simply too many visual distractions, interruptions, and a complete lack of comfort in an office. …But I do enjoy these in-office days for what they make up for in remote work: Face to face chats; Real…

I'd say it's productive it the sense that creating in person relationships has a direct effect on getting things done that require large amounts of people.

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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Everybody is talking about office spaces being empty, but at least in my area the office rent is at all time high which doesn't seem to hint people are using office less(unless office has been repurposed to something else which I don't know about).

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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Isn’t the problem that there is more empty space than needed now so the rents *should* fall?

Retail != Office Retail rent will fall because nobody is in the offices. Retail business will close because of less traffic, and thus there will be more space. But, retail leases are typically 5-10+ years. Why would a landlord lower the rent now to a small business and get stuck in a long lease, when they don't know if the office space will recover and the big businesses will want to come back? It is a game of chicke…

A lot of those five-year contracts were negotiated before Covid and I suspect they will expire in the next year or two. After a certain point, the building owner will have to choose between lowering rents, or having the building foreclosed on due to having no tenants.

Also, at the beginning of Covid, several big businesses just refused to pay retail rent as a negotiating tactic. It would not surprise me if that happens again.

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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About three or four years ago, I asked the owners of a closed-down department store if we could turn a big chunk of the 4-5 storey section into a climbing wall and was told to F-off as they had bigger plans for a new commercial centre with mixed-work and retail.

Anyway, it’s still shuttered, so good luck with that plan.

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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> exists for the sole purpose of flying people in to meet in person. Less a thriving center for tech. More a default place for leadership to get everyone together. Right. In which case you may as well meet at an airport hotel with good meeting rooms. Maybe there is a market for that. Repurpose under-utilized indoor malls as business conference centers where teams meet once or twice a week. Malls have plenty of space,…

A few malls are trying this. I called my local mall to use their little event space (think 60 folding chairs and a podium in a 900 sqft box). No call back. I am continually surprised at how hard it is to find a place to hold a small meetup in the evenings

a group i knew found success by renting out dance studios (even day-of in a major city, they usually had a couple hours free in the afternoon/evening), and bringing cheap plastic folding tables/chairs (the kinds you use for picnics) with them

not something you'd use for formal business meetings, but definitely hackable up as your budget allows

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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Easier said than done. Limited space == Higher rent. People are downvoting me, but not really understanding what I'm saying. Even if there is more empty space, what is happening is that landlords are leaving them empty, which keeps the rents higher because there is still limited effective availability. They aren't going to rent to a small business because they don't want to get locked into a 5-10 year lease on a smal…

Space may be limited but it's not utilized. In my local metro's business district around 60% of storefronts are sitting vacant and yet rent for these spaces is still astronomical. And it's been that way since 2020. The push for a return to the office is a clear cash grab.

That's because we are in a game of chicken right now.

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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I’ve been a remote engineer for over a decade, but only recently switched to a hybrid schedule on Tuesdays and Thursdays. IMO, these two days are effectively useless for any kind of productive technical work. There are simply too many visual distractions, interruptions, and a complete lack of comfort in an office. …But I do enjoy these in-office days for what they make up for in remote work: Face to face chats; Real…

> Hell, we couldn’t even go back to full-office because our team is so distributed!

Isn't this a problem even for coming into the office 2 days a week?

My experience is that I work on a team which is really distributed. We have people in nearly every continent (including Africa and South America, but not Antarctica), so getting to an office 2 days a week is not an option. We have regular video conferences though.

Re: US offices are sitting empty – business owners will have to adapt

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Retail != Office Retail rent will fall because nobody is in the offices. Retail business will close because of less traffic, and thus there will be more space. But, retail leases are typically 5-10+ years. Why would a landlord lower the rent now to a small business and get stuck in a long lease, when they don't know if the office space will recover and the big businesses will want to come back? It is a game of chicke…

A lot of those five-year contracts were negotiated before Covid and I suspect they will expire in the next year or two. After a certain point, the building owner will have to choose between lowering rents, or having the building foreclosed on due to having no tenants. Also, at the beginning of Covid, several big businesses just refused to pay retail rent as a negotiating tactic. It would not surprise me if that happe…

I'm not talking about past, I'm talking about current and future.

"Why would a landlord lower the rent now to a small business"

now.

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