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The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

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Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#111

I want to live in a world, where no one have to work in order to live a decent life, but I dont want to live in a world that has forgotten how fulfilling work can be. I live for my work because it is engaging, challenging, and is my way of contributing to society. I want to live a life that contributes more to the world then it consumes. The Anti-work movement has a lot of good criticism of our capitalist society, bu…

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Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#113

As a tech lead, the big problem I see now is that people are not hungry anymore. The best engineers I've ever worked with were consistently asking for more and leveling up the team at the same time. Now, the post-covid hires, especially the junior engineers, just do the bare minimum to scrape by, and they seem totally unbothered by it. One new hire on my team spends upwards of 2 hours per day "walking her dog." I eve…

> do the bare minimum

That's doing their job. You are complaining you aren't getting free labor. They are meeting the requirements.

> people are not hungry anymore

People aren't willing to do things for free.

> One new hire on my team spends upwards of 2 hours per day "walking her dog." I even called this out during a formal performance review and her behavior hasn't changed at all. (Work-from-home abuse is another component of this observation.)

Sounds like bad management/leadership. If you are complaining about how she spends 2 hours of her time rather than on the results, and you are complaining about people not giving you free work...

I never had this problem. I had the opposite, encouraging people to work only the hours they should so they don't burn themselves out.

But hey, prove me wrong. Work for free. Let me know, I have stuff I can shovel your way and you can do it for free. Prove to me that you practice what you preach.

Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#114
This is not a simple issue of wage inadequacy.

There is work for survival, work for wealth and work for satisfaction.

Worker availability varies greatly in different cities and regions.

The drug epidemic today impacts the workforce to a greater extent then decades ago.

The kinds of low-skill jobs that compete favorably against welfare (eg. manufacturing) were mostly exported to Asia; though this trend may be easing if not slightly reversing.

A rush to college for liberal arts and social science degrees has produced several generations of workers whose skills are highly sensitive to economic & political; cycles, and to an impending AI replacement. The same may soon be true for several tiers of web and software engineers.

Small business in America, the largest employer, faces costs and challenges that leave little room for investment in new workers. I'm talking small business - not Verizon, Costco or Yellow Freight.

Government has grown substantially at the federal, state, county and municipal levels in many parts of America - competing with business for workers.

Boomer retirement.

Etc., etc.

As tempting as it may be to sloganize the issue and blame employers - the reality is nuanced and complex.

Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#115

As a tech lead, the big problem I see now is that people are not hungry anymore. The best engineers I've ever worked with were consistently asking for more and leveling up the team at the same time. Now, the post-covid hires, especially the junior engineers, just do the bare minimum to scrape by, and they seem totally unbothered by it. One new hire on my team spends upwards of 2 hours per day "walking her dog." I eve…

I've seen the same thing in others and in myself, but I'd put it as pre- and post-Agile/Jira. The industry used to be full of enthusiasm but now it's like Office Space.

Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#118

My theory is that this is all true, and it’s fantastic. Generally, over the last century, in year X, nobody wants to work anymore compared to year Y (Y This is a success of social democracy and it is a success of technology. We can afford to have people work less hard and still be richer than we ever were. It’s the success story of western progress and the rest of the world is going through the same steps as we speak…

Correction: It's the success story of western progress at the expense of the rest of the world, which must find its own way because we've ripped up the steps.

Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a tech lead, the big problem I see now is that people are not hungry anymore. The best engineers I've ever worked with were consistently asking for more and leveling up the team at the same time. Now, the post-covid hires, especially the junior engineers, just do the bare minimum to scrape by, and they seem totally unbothered by it. Because they see management not pulling their weight for the pay they get. Why s…

What do you consider a fair pay for junior engineers in order for them to contribute at the capacity they're expected to? Our fresh college grads are paid a total compensation higher than $200K. Is that not enough to expect working, at minimum , 8 hours a day?

> What do you consider a fair pay for junior engineers in order for them to contribute at the capacity they're expected to? Our fresh college grads are paid a total compensation higher than $200K. Is that not enough to expect working, at minimum, 8 hours a day

No good lead assumes hours per day is equal to quality of output.

Re: The Long History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore

#120

The gig economy has worn many out... The promise of services like social media, Uber, Political Parties, and airBnB that promised to create wealthy entrepreneurs fell flat on it's face after making the people at the top of the pyramids very wealthy. I think that social media really tipped the balance of fairness in the working world... With social media, suddenly Trust fund Babies could fake success, and promote sche…

I think you've really hit the nail on the head there. People are absolutely happy to work dog hours on something they're passionate about, or something that is meaningful (to the world, or to a company, or anything higher than themselves).

But to take those same people, use them up, and then discard them... it makes them lose hope that their work is meaningful. Why try, when the world tells you repeatedly that it does not need or value you?

The only people I can see being happy with this arrangement might be more libertarian minded, where the goal was never outside the scope of their own self betterment.

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