IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

Post by tinus_hn » Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 8:55 AM UTC

veave wrote: post #25

ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

I like that IRC has no backlog support. When you join a channel it's like you actually joined a room. You don't know what they were talking about when you weren't there.

Post by progval » Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 10:19 AM UTC

Arathorn wrote: post #380

progval wrote: post #346

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How do you count users? I couldn't find a way to get stats from other people's homeservers when I looked into it

the optional phonehome stats in synapse. this is total mxids reported (104M or something).

Post by vilunov » Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 11:13 AM UTC

thiht wrote: post #290

smarx007 wrote: post #84

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Same thought – I was surprised to see no mention of Matrix or XMPP.

XMPP is a monstrosity, just let it die… The X is why it failed, depending on the client used by participants, some features wouldn’t work as expected. I remember someone shitting me because the messages I sent were ugly in his client, maybe because of a bad font on one side or the other or something, don’t know, don’t care.

Post by madeofpalk » Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 12:55 PM UTC

Brybry wrote: post #54

judge2020 wrote: post #14

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The only threat to message data on Discord is third party bots like mee6 who are gateway connected to tons of public, private, and "small friend-group" servers, vacuuming up every message data to some data lake for later use. This is why Discord pushed Application Commands[0], which only receive data from Discord when the application is initialized by the user, and made Message Contents a privileged intent[1] that re…

I don't think the idea of rogue Discord employees accessing uploaded images for nudes or searching logs for personal information is far fetched. Consider that a Ring employee was doing exactly that, with customer security cameras, and the only reason they were caught is another employee reported them (and Ring has no idea how many other employees were doing the same thing). [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

Post by vilunov » Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 1:27 PM UTC

Zash wrote: post #406

vilunov wrote: post #405

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This may sound true, until you realize that matrix is just as extensible, and it has the same problem with clients which don’t support the full set of features. This is not the problem. I’d say that XMPP is just as alive as Matrix, except it’s not so hip anymore. It definitely feels faster with more mature clients.

Pretty sure the client feature parity problem is inherent to open ecosystems with many vendors with varying priorities and budgets. Just look at the web back when there were more browsers in the game, or email clients etc.