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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by tsimionescu »

zikzak wrote: post #640
tsimionescu wrote: post #629

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First of all, the Alcubierre drive only works if several things that have never been confirmed to exist do in fact exist. Secondly, even if it turns out that exotic matter and such exist somewhere in the universe, the Alcubierre drive only works in their presence. So, it can't be used to travel FTL to a place where they don't exist, such as the Earth.

When von Neumann probes were proposed, we did not have working AI or 3D printers. They were merely concepts with some proof of concept systems in various states. We now have those technologies. It is trivial to extrapolate how effective they will be in say 10,000 years if we avoid blowing ourselves up. By then maybe we'll even have a sustainable Fusion reactor, general AI, and atomic matter deposition. Do you accept…

The problem with all things like this is that they are simple mathematical models being used to argue for highly advanced physics and engineering. I find it extremely likely that the real world would quickly turn this half a million years into many billions of years once you add in various inefficiencies and limits. After all, life is a self-replicating machine and it has taken slightly longer than that to consume a fraction of the resources on this planet.

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Post by dontlaugh »

nradov wrote: post #647
dontlaugh wrote: post #638

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I'm a communist, I don't need convincing. The bourgeoisie in the US is the ruling class because they have state power. They use that power to exploit the proletariat of the US, but also to super-exploit the proletariat of the rest of the world. In China, it's a bit different. The proletariat has won state power and is using it to constrain their national bourgeoisie. Part of why their bourgeoisie is tolerated for now…

I hope I live to see the day when the people of China rise up and summarily execute every single member of the Communist party down to the lowest village functionary. That would be the best thing they could possibly do to ensure a positive future for their country, and the rest of the world.

Just under 10% of Chinese people are party members, you’re advocating genocide.

Thankfully, the people of China overwhelmingly support the party, so it won’t happen.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

dontlaugh wrote: post #652
nradov wrote: post #647

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I hope I live to see the day when the people of China rise up and summarily execute every single member of the Communist party down to the lowest village functionary. That would be the best thing they could possibly do to ensure a positive future for their country, and the rest of the world.

Just under 10% of Chinese people are party members, you’re advocating genocide. Thankfully, the people of China overwhelmingly support the party, so it won’t happen.

I'm reminded of something my civics teacher mentioned in class about the difference between parties in communist countries and the US. The number of party members in the US is a rounding error. Almost no one is an actual member of the Democratic or Republican Parties.

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Post by seamac3 »

operatingthetan wrote: post #648
seamac3 wrote: post #646

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farming what?

I don't know, I just have this idea that we aren't actually on the top of the food chain so to speak. Maybe it's farming for genetic diversity. Or maybe you start civilizations to get them to birth bespoke AI personalities, or some other wacky idea.

Yea, I feel like Aliens is not so far out of a possibility, and the theories are fun to play with... yet something grounds me and says there just are (and have been) some really smart people out there.

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Post by Shawnj2 »

gorjusborg wrote: post #630
Shawnj2 wrote: post #606

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Yep so life on earth evolved about as early as reasonably possible.

Easy to claim when your sample size is 1/1. Hard to know for sure.

There are other factors that stop the kind of life we see on earth from appearing earlier in the universe’s history. For example the first stars (the pure hydrogen ones) could not have had planets that supported life and they burned too hot and quick to reasonably do so.

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Post by likeabbas »

danenania wrote: post #636
likeabbas wrote: post #634

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Even still, you’ve completely ignored the other half of my comment. Grusch is alleging specific people and corporations are involved in illegal activities. The corporations should have no trouble suing Grusch for false accusations and defamation, which in this case would be equivalent to jail time. So even if congress didn’t refer him to the justice department for perjury, those corporations absolutely will sue Grusc…

It's also a very different thing to lie to Congress with the backing of the IC (as happened with Clapper, WMDs, etc.) compared to lying to Congress against the IC's wishes. You are astronomically more likely to be prosecuted for the latter.

Do you have any evidence of this? The IC can refer you to the justice department on his own if you've lied to him/her.

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

DropInIn wrote: post #470
thatjoeoverthr wrote: post #202

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Assuming FTL is off the table, anything sent here will have been designed and launched with no evidence the subject planet has radars or air combat hardware. One should expect probes to have no air combat capability, and may not even bother to dodge a missile, even if they (incidentally) have very good aerodynamic performance.

If they don't have FYL then it's ridiculous that they'd send what are effectively tiny scout ships that don't have stealth tech to avoid the Other Aliens and that crash at alarming rates With Living Pilots inside... Really... Just look at the claim objectively and it becomes obvious it's absurd.

You would send some probe complex that includes small scout aircraft. Literally, NASA has done this. From many vantage points, Earth is a water world with no intelligent life on it. Most operators would send an interstellar probe based on that assumption. Things like living organisms can be application-specific bio robots that are wholly unprepared for anything like contact. Really, sending a bunch of military hardware on a space probe is obviously absurd. We have examples of literal scientists building literal space probes and they literally don’t send them with weapons.

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Post by DropInIn »

thatjoeoverthr wrote: post #657
DropInIn wrote: post #470

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If they don't have FYL then it's ridiculous that they'd send what are effectively tiny scout ships that don't have stealth tech to avoid the Other Aliens and that crash at alarming rates With Living Pilots inside... Really... Just look at the claim objectively and it becomes obvious it's absurd.

You would send some probe complex that includes small scout aircraft. Literally, NASA has done this. From many vantage points, Earth is a water world with no intelligent life on it. Most operators would send an interstellar probe based on that assumption. Things like living organisms can be application-specific bio robots that are wholly unprepared for anything like contact. Really, sending a bunch of military hardwa…

Dark forest...

Do I need to say more?

If things are such that aliens send probes to any such planet as ours they would be concerned about negative consequences and put great effort into ensuring they could not be discovered by _any_ potentially threatening species.

This precludes any of the forms you suggest, as any species capable of sending such would also be more than advanced enough to ensure we wouldn't discover them and that they wouldn't fail at the rates claimed.

Even if we presume many many species sending such, there's the issue that they wouldn't be bothering with us in this way and would either have already conquered us for the resources to fight each other etc. (And even if not fighting they would be aware of each other as a result of these supposed visits).

There's no reasonable explanation for subterfuge which is the only answer ever given for such questions of "why have they not made direct contact?" Right?

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Post by Datsundere »

Eric Weinstein has a reasonable voice here. Considering there is nobody that is a subject matter expert in these topics employed in these programs, this is just a wild goose chase from something more sinister they're doing with money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJ4cbO88F4

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Post by edgyquant »

gymbeaux wrote: post #406
edgyquant wrote: post #372

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No it doesn’t. I don’t know, or particularly care, either way but this statement is something insufferable people throw around to seem smarter than everyone else. Military people don’t testify before congress about UFOs “everytime something big is about to happen” and people aren’t as stupid as you think that they can only care about one issue at once.

So why does the Supreme Court only strip us of our rights on Fridays?

If the Supreme Court can overturn something it was never a right to begin with.
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