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IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by int_19h »

judge2020 wrote: post #235
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #219

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The problem isn’t no one has - it’s that the could be. I can not possibly understand why anyone considers discord to be anything but a company with absolute control of a product.

I don't think anyone believe otherwise. People still choose it because the feature set it provides addresses their needs and makes online chat, voice, and live streaming to friends a wonderful experience. For 99.9% of users, they don't need to worry about Discord terminating their account or their friends' account. If Discord somehow fumbles this by randomly suspending peoples' accounts for no reason whatsoever, and…

People still use Google, despite numerous horror stories of unexplained account suspensions without any possibility to appeal.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by oskarw85 »

tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

Except Discord is not a forum replacement because there is no easily searchable and accessible history. As simple as that.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Zetice wrote: post #386
Dylan16807 wrote: post #327

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Huh? Supposed to what? I was just listing a way that Discord is worse than an IRC client, in a way that you can't solve with a log bot. You're imagining whatever standard you think I'm setting. Anyway, the main "other things" are needing direct moderator permission and button-pressing on every server you want to join your log bot to.

Discord isn’t worse than an IRC client because it doesn’t log private chats, it’s superior because it doesn’t log private chats. And if you thing your “other things” are unique to Discord you’re kidding yourself.

> Discord isn’t worse than an IRC client because it doesn’t log private chats, it’s superior because it doesn’t log private chats.

I would say that having it stored indefinitely on third party servers, but not stored on my local computer, is the worst of both worlds.

> And if you thing your “other things” are unique to Discord you’re kidding yourself.

Some IRC channels may have the same policies around bots, but IRC doesn't force you to use a bot to have logs.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by int_19h »

magsarion wrote: post #295
rcxdude wrote: post #282

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It's not a matter of one single identity. Whether you use one or multiple you have a real practical problem which does actually happen which is prevented by discord without the need for using a 3rd party tool or you have a selection of alternatives which don't. Giving discord your phone number (which theoretically could be a problem) is really not an issue by comparison (hint: while not exactly the paragon of virtue,…

> a real practical problem It's not a real practical problem – and I'm not sure why we're pretending that it is one. Let's clearly state what the problem is: OP wants to play MMOs & online games against potential threat actors who may DDoS and/or doxx them. Which is why they simultaneously also want to shield their identity from them. An analogy would be somebody who wants to play games with the neighbourhood meth ga…

Every other player on a public game server is a potential threat actor of this nature, is the point.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by sph »

Arathorn wrote: post #379
sph wrote: post #356

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Same. Element is the single reason I dislike Matrix with a passion, and any other client is either another Electron monstrosity, or a crappy native app that's little more than a proof of concept. Element is so bloated and slow, it's impossible not to feel Matrix is bloated and slow as well.

If you’re on macOS on Apple Silicon, try the Element X iOS app. Am hoping that we will end up with a proper native macOS port in the end, which should stop the Electron complaints dead.

I'm on Linux.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by jacooper »

LorenDB wrote: post #169
jacooper wrote: post #67

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How do you deal with the terrible element client? I use matrix, but I don't bridge my accounts because I can't trust element.

I'm not sure why you don't trust Element. It's open source, so you could just look at the code yourself to determine whether you can trust it. I personally use the nheko client since it is a native client and less bloat (in other words, no Electron stuff).

I didn't mean trust as in safety but as in reliability

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by jacooper »

j45 wrote: post #164
jacooper wrote: post #67

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How do you deal with the terrible element client? I use matrix, but I don't bridge my accounts because I can't trust element.

What trust issues are there with elements if someone is self hosting?

I didn't mean trust as in safety but as in reliability

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by magsarion »

int_19h wrote: post #394
magsarion wrote: post #295

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> a real practical problem It's not a real practical problem – and I'm not sure why we're pretending that it is one. Let's clearly state what the problem is: OP wants to play MMOs & online games against potential threat actors who may DDoS and/or doxx them. Which is why they simultaneously also want to shield their identity from them. An analogy would be somebody who wants to play games with the neighbourhood meth ga…

Every other player on a public game server is a potential threat actor of this nature, is the point.

Then don't talk to them on a public Mumble/Ventrilo/IRC server without adequate precautions.

Most MMOs & online games offer an in-game chat client that does appropriate cloaking & is also moderated (so an offender risks a ban if they engage in harassment). Nobody is forcing OP to invite these people onto his VoIP server.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by jacooper »

the_gipsy wrote: post #174
jacooper wrote: post #67

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How do you deal with the terrible element client? I use matrix, but I don't bridge my accounts because I can't trust element.

Element mobile isn't as smooth as WhatsApp/Telegram but it isn't terrible either. If you don't trust then there a few alternative mobile clients and plenty of options on desktop. I use iamb which is modal TUI like vim.

From my experience it's very buggy, images don't show up, just black boxes, messages get stuck sending, mentions don't work in replies, and many other issues.
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