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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by Tagbert »

lazide wrote: post #458
Tagbert wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I back them up on my Mac to BackBlaze and TimeMachine . They are just local files at that point.

Do you see all the photos in the photos app (and hence iCloud Photos) in iCloud Drive? Near as I can tell, they're separate and this is by design. This impacts pictures or videos taken on phones, iPad’s etc by default; as they go into iCloud Photos, not iCloud Drive.

The photo library on a Mac can be in any local drive. You could put it on iCloud Drive but that would be redundant.

You iPhone or iPad take photos and store them in a local cache that syncs to iCloud. It is separate from iCloud Drive but the storage comes from the same iCloud capacity that you have subscribed to.

On your Mac the files are stored in a library folder that can be on any local drive. Those files can be backed up like any other file. Any changes you make to those files, like in the Photos app, are synced to iCloud Photos.

The photos in the local library are accessible but they are not really meant to be accessed. The meta data about the photos is stored in a database, not the files. There are original files, modified files, and thumbnail files.

If you want to you can export some or all photos to separate files and do what you want with them.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by mlinhares »

extra88 wrote: post #748
yellowapple wrote: post #747

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> Not all ARM processors are created equal Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.

I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general,…

What are these x86 laptops that are the same size and price range of an Air or MBP that outperform the M2s in processing power that doesn't involve GPU?

Almost all the benchmarks out there of similarly sized laptops have the M2s (and previously had the M1s) topping the charts in single and multi threaded workloads.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by lazide »

Tagbert wrote: post #751
lazide wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you see all the photos in the photos app (and hence iCloud Photos) in iCloud Drive? Near as I can tell, they're separate and this is by design. This impacts pictures or videos taken on phones, iPad’s etc by default; as they go into iCloud Photos, not iCloud Drive.

The photo library on a Mac can be in any local drive. You could put it on iCloud Drive but that would be redundant. You iPhone or iPad take photos and store them in a local cache that syncs to iCloud. It is separate from iCloud Drive but the storage comes from the same iCloud capacity that you have subscribed to. On your Mac the files are stored in a library folder that can be on any local drive. Those files can be b…

If you do your backups on the mac, do they include all photos in iCloud Photos?

Or only ones you manually export?

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by yellowapple »

extra88 wrote: post #748
yellowapple wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not all ARM processors are created equal Hence the words "in the same niche" in the comment to which you replied.

I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general,…

> I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt.

You clearly do know what niche I'm referring to, since you just described it. Like you say: Apple's laptops are the sole occupants of their niche, so what would you even compare against? I'm sure there are other ARM chips out there with comparable or better "performance" per Watt, but Apple Silicon's pretty unique right now in maximizing the "performance" half of that equation instead of minimizing the "per Watt" half.

> When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed.

I never said it was "unfair". I said it was meaningless - because it is. There are myriad metrics by which one could evaluate "performance" (per Watt or otherwise), and Apple Silicon doesn't necessarily win at all of them.

When other manufacturers start putting out ARM laptops targeting the same (or at least remotely similar) performance metrics as a Macbook targets, then there'd be a worthwhile discussion to be had.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by yellowapple »

mlinhares wrote: post #752
extra88 wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general,…

What are these x86 laptops that are the same size and price range of an Air or MBP that outperform the M2s in processing power that doesn't involve GPU? Almost all the benchmarks out there of similarly sized laptops have the M2s (and previously had the M1s) topping the charts in single and multi threaded workloads.

"that doesn't involve GPU" is a bit of an arbitrary restriction. GPU performance is performance, is it not?

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by 79a6ed87 »

sofixa wrote: post #323
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #248

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Apple's real genius is in their marketing. This was clear as day over 10 years ago, and is just as clear today. Back in the early days of iPhone vs Android, there was a huge meme of iPhone users praising Apple for "inventing" features that Android had years ago [0]. I remember (but can't find right now) a screenshot of a conversation of an iPhone user all happy about iPhone getting SwiftKey and then saying "When is A…

> While the meme of "iPhone is better than Android because iPhone can do X" while Android has been able to do X for over 2 years no longer applies It applied as recently as 2020 with iOS 14 releasing picture in picture video, which Android has had since 8 in 2017.

Similarly to that, I saw people in awe that when you receive a token via SMS on iPhone it allows you to copy it without opening the message. Something that Android also already had since before. In Android's case it even writes it on the app automatically without the need to do anything at all

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by 79a6ed87 »

ke88y wrote: post #276
nightshadetrie wrote: post #247

The difference is that the iPhone is the bread and butter to Apple, where as Google's Android is treated as secondary.

Which seems like a massive liability for the company. Search engines seem like a much lower moat than mobile platforms these days.

They seem to be paying more attention to YouTube rather than the search engine.

What's more, Google is better at developing Android than it is as a search engine, that's why I started to pay for Kagi.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by extra88 »

mlinhares wrote: post #752
extra88 wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what niche you're referring to. Apple Silicon are the sole occupants of a "niche," delivering high performance with excellent processing per Watt. When shopping for a laptop, there's nothing unfair about comparing ones with different processor architectures when they all can run the software needed. Plenty of people don't care about how long you can run off the battery or processing per Watt in general,…

What are these x86 laptops that are the same size and price range of an Air or MBP that outperform the M2s in processing power that doesn't involve GPU? Almost all the benchmarks out there of similarly sized laptops have the M2s (and previously had the M1s) topping the charts in single and multi threaded workloads.

It looks like the Razer Blade 16, with a i9-13950HX can beat the fastest MacBook Pro and is cheaper than that model.

I didn't mention size and don't know how they compare. Size comparisons are largely related to processing per Watt because others need bigger heat pipes and fans than the Macs.

I'm basically an Apple guy and don't pay tons of attention to all the alternatives, I just recognize the Apple products are not the right choice for everyone.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by extra88 »

yellowapple wrote: post #755
mlinhares wrote: post #752

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are these x86 laptops that are the same size and price range of an Air or MBP that outperform the M2s in processing power that doesn't involve GPU? Almost all the benchmarks out there of similarly sized laptops have the M2s (and previously had the M1s) topping the charts in single and multi threaded workloads.

"that doesn't involve GPU" is a bit of an arbitrary restriction. GPU performance is performance, is it not?

Only when you're using software that can use it. Multicore processing also doesn't matter when you are doing tasks that can't be spread across cores.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by mlinhares »

yellowapple wrote: post #755
mlinhares wrote: post #752

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are these x86 laptops that are the same size and price range of an Air or MBP that outperform the M2s in processing power that doesn't involve GPU? Almost all the benchmarks out there of similarly sized laptops have the M2s (and previously had the M1s) topping the charts in single and multi threaded workloads.

"that doesn't involve GPU" is a bit of an arbitrary restriction. GPU performance is performance, is it not?

It isn’t, I work as a developer and most developers have no use for a GPU unless you’re doing machine learning or gaming. For this case Macs are really hard to beat, especially given the UNIX like environment.
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