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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by dalyons »

martin8412 wrote: post #212
kaba0 wrote: post #157

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That’s just such a US. American problem that it is honestly, kind of funny in a dumb way from any other part of the world. Like SMS itself is a legacy, insecure tech, it really should not be used at all anymore, unless you really only know their phone number. Knowing that you are not sending SMS when you see a blue bubble, but apple just conveniently put their internet-based message system into the same app is not a…

People are just eating what Google says raw. Apple will just need to implement RCS and everything will be better. Don't worry that the only universally available RCS relay is operated by Google and encryption is a part of a non-standard Google extension. So Google wants Apple to hand all messages over to Google. For fun, Apple should propose to implement RCS but only if Google agrees to use the Apple relay. No chance…

Amen. Plus, the whole reason RCS was built was to allow carriers to keep charging for messages.

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Post by avgDev »

kube-system wrote: post #215
avgDev wrote: post #202

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iPhone is not what it is cracked up to be. A lot of lock in. Some things are absolutely annoying. When I went to Poland, I had to change my region to download apps from appstore, it messed up all my purchase history and subscriptions. One thing I like is that I have an iPhone 12 and have no need to upgrade, the phones have a much longer life imo. The statement "apple stuff is just so easy and it works" is EXTREMELY m…

What lock-in do iPhones have that isn't a thing on Android? Honestly curious.

You have a single back up option which is the iCloud.(EDIT: SINGLE CLOUD OPTION)

Can't install any app I want.

Locked into OS.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by nightshadetrie »

glitchc wrote: post #4

I was due for an upgrade and switched to Android this cycle. Acquired a unlocked Pixel 7 that was on sale in June and immediately reflashed it with GrapheneOS. Ultimately a very smooth experience. The difference in tracking is very evident as is the amount of data streaming out of the phone.

This is the exception, rather than the norm. Most users outside hacker news just want a phone that works.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by kaba0 »

alexdbird wrote: post #119
pretext-1 wrote: post #53

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It works better because iOS had this for many years and apps implement it natively. Android's implementation is basically a workaround. The back gesture is recognized by the system and forwarded as back button event to the app. On iOS the gesture is handled by the app, which can provide proper animation, giving users the ability to “preview” what’s behind (and pull back to the left to stop going back). Android is try…

> it will take many years for apps to adopt it This is the flaw with the Apple back gesture, sadly, as although it's generally really easy to support this in native app — essentially it comes for free and you just don't break it — plenty of developers just don't care about invisible quality of life things. The gesture is properly called 'Interactive Pop'.

How is it different to android developers breaking shit? It’s not hard to break the “atomic” back gesture either, hell, websites are getting really good at breaking my back button!

Shitty apps/developers are everywhere, we should not limit ourselves over them.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by moonchrome »

kube-system wrote: post #215
avgDev wrote: post #202

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iPhone is not what it is cracked up to be. A lot of lock in. Some things are absolutely annoying. When I went to Poland, I had to change my region to download apps from appstore, it messed up all my purchase history and subscriptions. One thing I like is that I have an iPhone 12 and have no need to upgrade, the phones have a much longer life imo. The statement "apple stuff is just so easy and it works" is EXTREMELY m…

What lock-in do iPhones have that isn't a thing on Android? Honestly curious.

WebKit - major PITA, highlighting text and googling in chrome opens safari ?

Appstore - can't install Gameboy emulator for games I've paid 20+ years ago because daddy Apple said so...

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by lurker919 »

throw9away6 wrote: post #62
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #52

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Hot take: I find recent Samsung flagships far superior to what Google offers, especially the latest S23: small and speedy with longer SW support than a pixel, better CPU/GPU and better cameras, at a decent price. Bloatware and Android implementation is also not too bad. Also Samsung DEX can save your bacon in case your laptop dies and you don't have a spare but need a quick desktop experience for some multitasking pr…

Samsung blowtware is a problem though

Yes, the only reason that prods me away from a samsung phone. I don't want unnecessary apps on my screens/mindspace.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

dopamean wrote: post #147
djhworld wrote: post #131

I'm thinking of making the switch to iPhone this year once the USB-C model comes out Whether I regret it, not sure, I mean Android isn't _that_ bad really and the Samsung phones are good, but I think Apple have nailed the ecosystem thing a lot better than what google have.

I made the switch at the end of 2021 after only having an android phone since the very first one. I wouldn't say I regret the change but I would say I'm not impressed. The way so many of my friends mocked me for having an android phone and talked up their iphones made me think I _must_ be missing something. Alas, I don't feel that I was. Every once in a while I boot up my old android phone (oneplus 6) and use it and…

Apple's real genius is in their marketing.

This was clear as day over 10 years ago, and is just as clear today.

Back in the early days of iPhone vs Android, there was a huge meme of iPhone users praising Apple for "inventing" features that Android had years ago [0]. I remember (but can't find right now) a screenshot of a conversation of an iPhone user all happy about iPhone getting SwiftKey and then saying "When is Android getting this? XD" and the other person responding with "About 4 years ago".

While the meme of "iPhone is better than Android because iPhone can do X" while Android has been able to do X for over 2 years no longer applies, there's still the meme that iPhone is somehow still a superior device. Apple has somehow convinced people that the iPhone is a luxury device, and there are some iPhone users that look down on Android users and think that Android is for people that can't afford iPhone, even though flagship Androids cost just as much.

It's just personal preference these days. I can't stand Apple's walled garden approach, but people that have multiple devices (laptop, tablet, phone, watch, etc) love it since it guarantees compatibility and functionality.

[0] https://imgur.com/gallery/9V2Vr

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Post by disiplus »

matthewaveryusa wrote: post #222
dopamean wrote: post #147

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I made the switch at the end of 2021 after only having an android phone since the very first one. I wouldn't say I regret the change but I would say I'm not impressed. The way so many of my friends mocked me for having an android phone and talked up their iphones made me think I _must_ be missing something. Alas, I don't feel that I was. Every once in a while I boot up my old android phone (oneplus 6) and use it and…

I made the switch to iphone as well in 2021 after androids for 10 years and I echo this sentiment. It's not transformational, it's more or less the same, especially compared to a pixel flagship phone. I still use google photos because I find it better and it works fine. My next phone will be a pixel again though.

I had a pixel 7 pro, that after a half a year developed a battery problem. I got my money back and could get another pixel but was afraid of battery problems again, and picked a one plus 10 pro. I regret it. Pixel has the best Android expirence on the market. I'm not buying iPhones probably ever. I tried iphone 14 pro max a little bit and it's not worth 400 EUR over the Pixel for me. I also had Samsungs, they are ok, but pixel is better.

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Post by WWLink »

avgDev wrote: post #202
djhworld wrote: post #131

I'm thinking of making the switch to iPhone this year once the USB-C model comes out Whether I regret it, not sure, I mean Android isn't _that_ bad really and the Samsung phones are good, but I think Apple have nailed the ecosystem thing a lot better than what google have.

iPhone is not what it is cracked up to be. A lot of lock in. Some things are absolutely annoying. When I went to Poland, I had to change my region to download apps from appstore, it messed up all my purchase history and subscriptions. One thing I like is that I have an iPhone 12 and have no need to upgrade, the phones have a much longer life imo. The statement "apple stuff is just so easy and it works" is EXTREMELY m…

> The statement "apple stuff is just so easy and it works" is EXTREMELY misleading. When it works it works but when it doesn't you generally won't find much good advice.

I've been a Mac fan since OS X came out in 2000/2001, and had iPhones and android phones for years. Just a general "I like all the OSes... and I hate all the OSes" kinda person....

The worst thing about being caught in a situation where something doesn't work right, or is just outright broken? If you go to an iphone/mac themed discussion place to discuss it, you'll probably just get called an idiot and insulted. A lot.

I also hate how iOS kinda has dark patterns to keep you locked into Apple's iCloud services. Lately, MacOS has been getting worse about that too. I think the only Apple service I can log into without causing an Apple device to freak out and have iCloud take everything over is Apple Music.

My biggest beefs are trying to export a tens-of-thousands picture library out of icloud - there's no good reliable way to do it except to tell the Photos app on a Mac to download everything locally and then wait an eternity (like literally weeks) to do so. Then you can use a python script to read the sqlite db and dump everything with correct EXIF data... (if you don't, it's a complicated mess)

My favorite is how bad the ECG app on the Apple Watch is. Especially if your older parent who has the watch on the largest text size uses it. Basically, it becomes almost impossible to dismiss the legal warning screen that pops up if you touch the grey "sine wave, 65bpm" summary thing. If you do, you have to hit a teeny tiny target at the top left of the screen to go back to that summary screen, scroll down without touching the grey box, and then hit 'done' at the bottom.

THEN you reach for your iphone and open the health app you had open before. But it doesn't show the ECG you just recorded - unless you tap the notification from the home screen. When you do, it'll exit the health app and reopen it, so that the latest ECG loads.

It is the most hilarious and fucked interaction I've seen. Like, the Apple Health App is LITERALLY BROKEN and their workaround is to make the notification force-restart the app.

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