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‘Something weird is going on’: Antarctic sea ice stays at historic lows

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https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-chea... Sustainable eating is cheaper and healthier - Oxford study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ Plant-based diets were protective against cancers of the digestive system, with no significant differences between different types of cancer, a meta-analysis based on 3,059,009 subjects https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/04/meat-tax-would-boost-health... Meat…

And this is why people are being pushed away from the environmental movement as a whole. As well as the activists blocking roads and throwing paint around. Significant changes to energy/fuel usage and transport/travel were already hard for people to accept, with vast numbers of jobs/livelihoods so dependent on cars. But trying to take away meat at the same time (let alone all dairy) is just too much to ask, certainly…

> Significant changes to energy/fuel usage and transport/travel

Nothing significant have happened yet.

> war on farming that nobody voted for set to cut food production

No one wants to reduce food production. We just need to do more of what is sustainable and avoid doing the things that are not.

> the biggest risk from climate change is crop failure and famine

And with deforestation and soil depletion our farming practices are one of the biggest culprits of that.

> conspiracy theories

Yep, let our politicians solve the problem ... but don't change a thing!

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https://i.imgur.com/LaEFQmV.png Source: https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10...

What does this have to do with my point, I clearly said they would industrialize

We could go down a lot, and let them come up a bit higher, so that the change would be still climate positive.

Or have I misunderstood your comment?

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This is a good point, but is much being done while a democrat is in charge? Seems like Joe has squandered the best part of another term. Amendment: I didn't mean he is doing nothing, or a bad job, but he could even just address the UN or NATO and actually explain that while his hands are tied, he could offer support in any other way possible until America gets his head correct.

President Biden can’t create legislation. That has to come from Congress. McCarthy (R) is speaker of the house. “Can’t the President issue executive orders?” Yes but the Supreme Court has been striking down and limiting the EPA from executing on executive orders or other mandates that the agency has. For example last year [1] > By a vote of 6 to 3, the court said that any time an agency does something big and new – i…

> He wouldn’t address NATO on this topic because NATO is a defensive military alliance and most NATO members are well aware of climate change risks.

The US military labelled climate change as a natsecurity threat [1], unfortunately NATO is only concerned with other countries invading or waging a war against the member states and thus such problems can't be addressed even though they are directly related to national security.

[1] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/27...

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Another day passes, another day nowhere near enough is being done to get on top of this situation. If the US government had any brains, they'd be setting up a WW2 style mobilization against climate change and moving towards almost immediate decarbonization. This is an international effort working with NATO allies. It would only benefit everyone. New industry, safer economic outcomes long term, nicer world to live in.…

The intellectual energy in the US is entirely beholden to economics at the present. There are plenty of intelligent individuals who could be mobilized on this issue but by and large they are subjugated by the language of economics into chasing teh dollarz.

Like you mentioned, mobilization is possible, look at WW2, intellectuals were entirely captured to serve military efforts during that period. Then w/ the neolib period it shifted to being captured by the language of economics which is where we are currently.

It really is on the precarious cognitariat to break the shackles of the current burden of working inside of the stagnant linguistic framework of economics. Economics is anti-science.

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President Biden can’t create legislation. That has to come from Congress. McCarthy (R) is speaker of the house. “Can’t the President issue executive orders?” Yes but the Supreme Court has been striking down and limiting the EPA from executing on executive orders or other mandates that the agency has. For example last year [1] > By a vote of 6 to 3, the court said that any time an agency does something big and new – i…

> He wouldn’t address NATO on this topic because NATO is a defensive military alliance and most NATO members are well aware of climate change risks. The US military labelled climate change as a natsecurity threat [1], unfortunately NATO is only concerned with other countries invading or waging a war against the member states and thus such problems can't be addressed even though they are directly related to national s…

Sure but as such there isn’t anything for President Biden to do here in terms of an address or speech which was the point.

I also don’t think invasion of member states is the only thing NATO is concerned with. For instance, NATO allies are coordinating and providing direct military support to Ukraine which isn’t a member state.

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What does this have to do with my point, I clearly said they would industrialize

We could go down a lot, and let them come up a bit higher, so that the change would be still climate positive. Or have I misunderstood your comment?

We don't have the ability to go down alot without killing alot of people, and if they come up it will not be possible to limit it because game theory

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post #82

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We could go down a lot, and let them come up a bit higher, so that the change would be still climate positive. Or have I misunderstood your comment?

We don't have the ability to go down alot without killing alot of people, and if they come up it will not be possible to limit it because game theory

Sure we have.

Use less fossil fuels != kill a lot of people :) Not in the western countries, which waste them left and right.

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I don't believe there is anything we can do about the impending climate changes. In my opinion all we can do is learn, prepare, and adapt.

Sure we can. We can start spreading Serpentine rock on the Ocean's surface. We just need some billionaires to fund it.

Serpentine rock, which is primarily composed of the mineral serpentine, has been considered in the context of climate change mitigation due to its potential to sequester carbon dioxide (CO2) through a natural process called mineral carbonation. This process involves the reaction of CO2 with certain minerals, like serpentine, to form stable carbonate minerals like magnesite.

The reaction kinetics of carbonation using serpentine rock are generally slow under ambient temperature and pressure conditions, which is one of the main challenges in utilizing serpentine for carbon sequestration. The rate of the natural carbonation process depends on various factors, such as the particle size of the serpentine, temperature, pressure, and availability of CO2.

At ambient conditions, the carbonation of serpentine can take from several months to thousands of years to proceed to completion. The slow reaction kinetics is mainly due to the formation of a passivating silica-rich layer on the surface of serpentine minerals, which hinders the further reaction with CO2.

However, if we ground up serpentine rock into 1cm pieces and sprinkled it on the Caribbean sea between Cuba and Jamaica, we can estimate how many tons we would need to use to carbonize our deficit of 15 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide:

To estimate this, we need to consider the stoichiometry of the carbonation reaction. Serpentine rock primarily contains the mineral serpentine, which has the chemical formula Mg3Si2O5(OH)4. The carbonation reaction involving serpentine can be represented as:

Mg3Si2O5(OH)4 + 3CO2 → 3MgCO3 + 2SiO2 + 2H2O

Here, one mole of serpentine reacts with three moles of CO2 to form three moles of magnesite (MgCO3) as the primary carbon capture product.

Now, let's calculate the molar masses:

Serpentine (Mg3Si2O5(OH)4): (3 × 24.305) + (2 × 28.085) + (5 × 15.999) + (4 × 1.008) = 277.24 g/mol CO2: (12.011) + (2 × 15.999) = 44.01 g/mol

From the balanced equation, three moles of CO2 react with one mole of serpentine. Therefore, the mass ratio of serpentine to CO2 is:

277.24 g/mol (serpentine) / 3 × 44.01 g/mol (CO2) = 2.087

To sequester 15 Gt of CO2, we would need:

15 Gt × 2.087 = 31.305 Gt (gigatons) of serpentine rock

However, this calculation assumes that the carbonation reaction would go to completion, which is unlikely in a real-world scenario, especially with 1 cm pieces of serpentine rock. The reaction kinetics would be extremely slow with such large particles, and the reaction may not proceed effectively in the ocean environment. Grinding the serpentine rock into much finer particles, using catalysts or additives, or applying pressure and temperature could enhance the reaction rate, would perhaps make it go faster.

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We don't have the ability to go down alot without killing alot of people, and if they come up it will not be possible to limit it because game theory

Sure we have. Use less fossil fuels != kill a lot of people :) Not in the western countries, which waste them left and right.

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> He wouldn’t address NATO on this topic because NATO is a defensive military alliance and most NATO members are well aware of climate change risks. The US military labelled climate change as a natsecurity threat [1], unfortunately NATO is only concerned with other countries invading or waging a war against the member states and thus such problems can't be addressed even though they are directly related to national s…

Sure but as such there isn’t anything for President Biden to do here in terms of an address or speech which was the point. I also don’t think invasion of member states is the only thing NATO is concerned with. For instance, NATO allies are coordinating and providing direct military support to Ukraine which isn’t a member state.

Use you’re imagination I guess, we can’t do the same things and expect different results.
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