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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by fingerlocks »

meepmorp wrote: post #692
fingerlocks wrote: post #670

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Right but way fewer restrictions

Originally, it was "install the emulator on your device," and you said that would cost $8.33/mo, which was wrong. Where exactly are you moving the goalposts now?

Hey, relax. Everything is not a debate. Take off the hostility glasses and re-read my post with some charity:

“Meepmorp you’re totally right, it doesn’t cost anything at all! However, I do highly recommend paying this meager sum because the benefits are quite substantial.”

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by laserdancepony »

zh3 wrote: post #474
foobarbazetc wrote: post #363

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iPhones just work. Macs just work. 99% of people don’t want to spend time configuring anything. Both iOS and Android stopped innovating like 5 years ago, but at least the Apple ecosystem doesn’t feel dead like Android.

I've bought 2 apple products, my wife has bought 1. iPad: Failed after a year, no replacement (we can 'upgrade') - it technically works but shuts down 3 or 4 minutes after boot. mac Mini: Hard disk failed. Out of warranty, so bought a cheap SSD and gave it to the kids (they prefer something that plays modern games). iPod: Old, yes, taken out of the drawer for a road trip but dead as a doornail. Admittedly, not tried…

I've had numerous iDevices over the years and not a single one failed anyhow. No iPhone, no iPad, no Power Mac, no Macbook, no mac Mini. And I got a trade in worth 40 bucks on my still working 2013 iPad when I bought my 2021 one.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by [deleted] »

thunky wrote: post #708
mlinhares wrote: post #649

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People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range. And as a professio…

> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software? Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc). And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influe…

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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by kalleboo »

thunky wrote: post #708
mlinhares wrote: post #649

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People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range. And as a professio…

> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software? Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc). And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influe…

Someone else mentioned the clipboard sync (which is amazingly handy), but it goes so far as to the iPhone camera showing up across the macOS as both a document scanner as well as a webcam (which blows the pants off of any USB webcam on the market), and things like being able to cast your screen from your iPhone to a Mac's display.

Now I'm sure all of these things are possible on other platforms using extra software but in the ecosystem it's all zero setup, instantly integrated and quite reliable.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by kalleboo »

jjav wrote: post #481
JohnFen wrote: post #457

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Yes, I don't care about getting updates. If they're important to you, that's fair. But the phones don't suddenly stop working without updates. They're still perfectly fine.

> Yes, I don't care about getting updates. If they're important to you, that's fair. Hardware devices with embedded software couldn't get updates (or was a difficult job so didn't happen) until somewhat recently. It is unfortunate that the ability to do updates is used as a crutch to ship faulty software that then needs updates. A phone shouldn't ever need an update in its lifetime if it was properly built in the fir…

Hardware devices with embedded software used to be air-gapped.

As soon as phones got Bluetooth, you got Nokia Bluetooth viruses that would spread via public transit, and you had to go to a service center to fix it since it wasn't designed to be updated.

Even in the days of "software was complete on launch", security was absolutely abysmal and we just relied on most people being honest.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by yellowapple »

saagarjha wrote: post #696
behringer wrote: post #662

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There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.

Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.

I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/.

In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by sfmike »

sb057 wrote: post #223

I'm part of this statistic. I've been an Android user my entire adult life, but it really has been a constant downward spiral over these past several years. My previous three phones from LG, Motorola, and Xiaomi all had major software bugs that were never fixed, the biggest being just incredibly poor network connectivity (across multiple carriers, mind you) resulting in at least several calls just not connecting to m…

Me too. Love android UI more actually, the screens more, and the fast charging more, but a few things such as the photos/videos are what drew me to finally get a 13 pro max. I still use android on a wifi only phone and tablet and enjoy it but iphone is nice for daily driver and because the photos i can take and battery life post charge when full seems to be longer.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by sfmike »

darksaints wrote: post #581
Izikiel43 wrote: post #533

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I remember a friend telling me why use iPhone instead of Android: "I already deal with problems at work, I don't want to deal with problems with my phone" Truer words never said, I also had several androids over the years which went crazy after some time, switched to iPhone, never an issue again.

I’ve used both, currently on an iPhone, and I can’t understand this sentiment at all. Both are shitty in different ways.

agreed. And at least android tends to allow things with hacks, where apple if it can't be done, it can't be done, it's not possible from being done.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by paulmd »

oska wrote: post #657
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #544

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I’m astounded by the pervasiveness of this meme, given its origins are really from a Mac vs PC internet flame war era that I would like to think we’ve moved past. I’m astounded by the fact that one can imply with a straight face no less that over half the market are status-driven dorks that have no legitimate reason to use an iPhone over an Android phone, the obviously superior for all people in all circumstances cho…

This comment came over as quite aggressive to me, and, browsing your new account history, I found a similar tone in other comments. As you are new here, I would urge you to read the HN guidelines : https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

No, the comment you’re replying to is actually a bit rightfully offended by the casually offensive remarks being dropped by the grandparent.

The problem is fundamentally that Android users drop this microaggression all the time about how apple users are brainless sheep, who don’t have any sense and just let status drive all their purchases, and don’t even see it as offensive.

amd fanboys do the same thing with nvidia users, insisting that “mindshare” is somehow the sole reason that AMD lost ground over the years and that nvidia customers are all dumb brainless sheep too.

It’s actually quite offensive and extremely pervasive, and if you dare call it out you get people like you tut-tutting about how offensive it is to be pointing out your offensiveness.

The problem isn’t the indignant reply, that’s just human nature, the problem is the person who dropped yet another “all apple users are status-chasing sheep” thought-terminating cliche. That’s offensive and pervasive and really should stop especially here of all places. It needs to be said and you are in the wrong for shouting down the people trying to say it.

Again, I know that it’s so absolutely normalized and pervasive that android/AMD people probably don’t see “[other brand] users are brainless sheep” as being offensive, but it is. Like that’s not even a dog whistle, you’re just saying it right out loud. You’re telling a forum full of the general public that a good number of them are brainless, and you’ve been doing it for so many years that you don’t even see why that’s wrong.

MacBooks, iPhones, and nvidia cards are all quite good products and have many many things going for them, there is absolutely no call to be insulting by suggesting that people haven’t done any research because they chose a different product for their needs.

Like how poorly socialized are people that they think calling other people “brainless” to their faces isn’t offensive, or to tut-tut at other people for being upset about such conduct? Especially when here of all places people have most definitely considered the technical merit of the alternatives.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by 40yearoldman »

zh3 wrote: post #316
lolinder wrote: post #278

The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

Probably because when they buy something they want it to work.

I was a die hard android fan boy. Owned nearly all android flagships.

I first was driven away from the Google branded phones because it was clear their priorities where something other than providing me the best hardware and software experience.

Then I was driven away from Samsung because too much bloat and advertisements within the core OS.

None is the home integration worked right. Too fractured and error prone.

I got tied of seeing people use their iPhones to get shit done and not needing to tinker heir damn phone all the time.

The iPhone is a tool. A well thought out tool that gets the fuxk out of my way so I can do the things I want. Android. IRS a toy. It’s an advertisement delivery vehicle. On Android you are the customer not the user.

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