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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 11:27 AM UTC

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This. Dex is Samsung's killer feature - but noone seems to know about it!? It's especially relevant to developers. It's now common to see monitors that have an integrated usb hub - so no docking station needed. Just plug your phone in via one cable, it will charge, send video, and use keyboard+mouse. You can have a 4k60 desktop, and then run termux and almost achieve a desktop-equivalent development environment. Unfo…

Or I can get a proper workstation (which I already have because I need it for proper work) which will run circle around the dex. Have you tried to run Android Studio with a big project? You need some good computing power for indexing the code and building it.

>Or I can get a proper workstation

You misunderstood. DEX is not there to replace your workstation, but can be a short-term productivity workstation, in case your laptop is stolen or in for repairs.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by seydor » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 11:49 AM UTC

Manufacturers deserve this because they became greedy bastards.

My anecdote, i loved my samsung S10 which i had to replace. Their new flagship is heavier, has no headphone jack, no FM radio, no SpO2 meter, and doesnt feel considerably faster. It also seems to heat up a bit more. What the hell is going on. I feel cheated

Apple's phone seem to make slight improvements, but really it's hard to tell anymore.

I think the sector is beyond its peak and about to see a huge slump

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by Spooky23 » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:20 PM UTC

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People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range. And as a professio…

There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.

Only if you don’t care about screen, battery life or user interface.

Caveat. If windows matters, or you’re talking about the generation of defective MacBooks with a bad keyboard, I’d concede that a top of the line HP, Dell or Lenovo is a better choice.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by flagrant_taco » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:21 PM UTC

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> I'm guessing you weren't accessing things like a banking app with highly sensitive financial data For anyone who has done any serious threat modeling exercises would never ever do that from a 2023 phone (I'm fully aware many people do it regardless).w

So what phone do you recommend for someone who is looking for a new phone?

If security is a concern, getting a newer Pixel and installing GrapheneOS is your best bet. It's still not perfect and nothing beats just not having a cell phone, but that's a choice very few are okay with today.

The trick with GrapheneOS, or any privacy setup, is that it requires attention to stay reasonably secure. The OS won't matter if you enable Google services and install apps that track and sell all your data.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by Spooky23 » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:22 PM UTC

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Surface laptops are priced pretty well on par with apple for a worse screen, quality, and battery life. Literally no other laptop provides a competitive battery life, screen or build even compared to the surface. I literally just bought a new laptop 3 months ago, and almost zero windows laptops were reasonably competitive with the MacBook for a dev. Could just be because I have a powerful gaming PC, but I definitely…

There's loads of nice "build" (just admit you want metal please) Windows laptops with nice screens. Asus ZenBook line for example. Can even get OLED.

Not at the same price-point at quantity 1.

If you as a consumer buy a nice HP Spectre, it will be more than an equivalent MacBook barring a sale or clearance. I buy 10,000 at a time, and get about 30% off.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by Spooky23 » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:24 PM UTC

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The link should really be to the original report [0]. This 55% is iPhone's share of phone shipments in Q2, not the number of users of the respective phones at any given time. In other words, fewer people are buying smartphones than were before, but Apple saw less of a hit to their numbers than everyone else did. Contrary to existing comments here, this stat doesn't appear to indicate that people are switching from An…

I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

You’re right. I spent an extra $14 on an iPhone 12 vs the Samsung. Now I have a blue bubble, and people treat me like I’m smart and better looking. Combined with drinking the beer I learned about on the Super Bowl ads, women think I’m cool too.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by flagrant_taco » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:26 PM UTC

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>You don't cheap out on food either Except many people do. Friend of mine is a chef and likes to quip that people will pour the most expensive oil into their car and the cheapest into their pan. The median American takes home like 35k a year, they're not saving anything for their tombstone, they're lucky if the house is paid off by that time. Yet you see a lot of people run around with the newest top line phone. That…

The house? 35k isn't enough to RENT a place of your own almost anywhere in the US, never mind a mortgage, and all the additional expenses that come with owning a home, like maintenance.

The are plenty of places in the US where people get by on $35k. But yeah if you're looking for a big city $35k probably won't cut it.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by thunky » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 1:03 PM UTC

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I’m astounded by the pervasiveness of this meme, given its origins are really from a Mac vs PC internet flame war era that I would like to think we’ve moved past. I’m astounded by the fact that one can imply with a straight face no less that over half the market are status-driven dorks that have no legitimate reason to use an iPhone over an Android phone, the obviously superior for all people in all circumstances cho…

People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range. And as a professio…

> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value

Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software?

Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc).

And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by desi_ninja » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 1:06 PM UTC

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That’s just such a US. American problem that it is honestly, kind of funny in a dumb way from any other part of the world. Like SMS itself is a legacy, insecure tech, it really should not be used at all anymore, unless you really only know their phone number. Knowing that you are not sending SMS when you see a blue bubble, but apple just conveniently put their internet-based message system into the same app is not a…

Indeed. WhatsApp has like 99.9% of market share in central/south America? Nobody use SMS or iMessage over there.

Asia too.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by gizajob » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 1:06 PM UTC

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My friend decided to buy zenfone 10 rather than pixel6. pixel is more expensive than iPhone, why people even try it?

To avoid having to use crappy UIs and apps from random OEMs. And to get updates directly from Google. I never wanted "Google compatible" phone like an IBM compatible PC. Just like the Wintel ecosystem, Android fragmented into chaos. Pixels are the only way to get a Google phone now without all the third party bloat and crapware.

Motorolas come without bloat and crapware