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Post by behringer »

saagarjha wrote: post #696
behringer wrote: post #662

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There's nothing bang for your buck about apple laptops. I can get a pc laptop for half the price and arguably better quality. It is true about phones though, especially when you consider how badly all the big brands except apple and Google add unremovable money making spam apps to their phones.

Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.

Really? I guess I'm out of touch.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by esrauch »

121789 wrote: post #616
ksec wrote: post #604

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>That's generally what a "market share" number measures: the share of sales during a period of times. We don't measure Browser Market Share as number of downloads during a period of times. Nor do we measure OS market share as number of license sold during a quarter. The reason why Market Share, or share of sales during a period of times were used for commodity, repeatable sales. Because knowing you have 50% of Ketchu…

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. I've worked with these phone manufacturers and they often used the term market share to refer to share of sales / shipments / whatever over a monthly or quarterly time period. I think there is flexibility in the term.

It doesn't seem surprising that companies whose bottom line is from the hardware sale moment would define it that way, and people who aren't (for example, people selling apps, people running websites, people looking around at what phones their friends and family have) would define it by "devices in use" instead of new sales.

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Post by ericmay »

thunky wrote: post #708
mlinhares wrote: post #649

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People just like to think they're special "thinking out of the box" rebels because they use android when the equivalent android phone costs the same as an iphone. There's very little price difference between the models for the main brands (you can off course find cheaper alternatives with their own issues) but if you get an iphone and a samsung side by side odds are they're at the same price range. And as a professio…

> it just makes sense to pick an iphone instead of an android due to the ecosystem value Honest question: what ecosystem are you referring to? Apple watch? Additional hardware you bought? Or are you talking about software? Because my guess would have been that Apple users are typically embedded in Google's ecosystem as well (Chrome, Maps, Gmail, YouTube, etc). And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influe…

> And it's not clear to me how using a MacBook would influence your phone choice.

The same reason you use Chrome and then also Google Maps and Gmail. Just swap a Mac with Chrome and an iPhone with Gmail.

There are lots of little features like being able to copy on my iPhone and then it’s saved into a shared clipboard so that I can paste into my Mac. Those kinds of things (there are many, many others and you can look them up for yourself) are why someone would be influenced to choose an iPhone if they are using a Mac.

As an aside I think most users across all platforms use Google’s ecosystem but I would expect Apple users to use it less than others since Apple provides good enough alternatives such as Safari, Apple Maps, iCloud, etc.

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Post by dolni »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #544
zh3 wrote: post #316

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I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

I’m astounded by the pervasiveness of this meme, given its origins are really from a Mac vs PC internet flame war era that I would like to think we’ve moved past. I’m astounded by the fact that one can imply with a straight face no less that over half the market are status-driven dorks that have no legitimate reason to use an iPhone over an Android phone, the obviously superior for all people in all circumstances cho…

My teenage kid views Apple products as a status symbol.

Still working on how to get her to stop obsessing over stupid crap.

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Post by TylerE »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #707
TylerE wrote: post #694

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The house? 35k isn't enough to RENT a place of your own almost anywhere in the US, never mind a mortgage, and all the additional expenses that come with owning a home, like maintenance.

The are plenty of places in the US where people get by on $35k. But yeah if you're looking for a big city $35k probably won't cut it.

Even in the middle of nowhere, it's basically impossible to find a 1br for under $1000/month. That's $12k/yr.

At $35k/yr, you have $2500/month post tax, so at $1000 you're spending almost half your post-tax income on rent (and that's not including utilities, taxes, etc).

That math doesn't work, even in cheap places.

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Post by ericmay »

kcartlidge wrote: post #690
acchow wrote: post #470

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It is not the status. Americans love to consume. They think their consumption brings them happiness . One of their most delightful purchases is a new phone.

> Americans love to consume. They think their consumption brings them happiness. One of their most delightful purchases is a new phone. If you replaced "Americans" with "Most people in capitalist countries who are subject to constant advertising" I'd probably agree.

Those outside of capitalist countries who move to countries like America usually make the same consumption choices (sometimes it seems worse - Gucci purses and stuff) it’s just that they don’t have the ability in the country they live in. I think it’s less about the economic system and more about access.

That being said I agree with you about advertising getting people to buy things they don’t want or don’t need (strong need) in capitalist economies but that’s a failure of regulation and this a failure by the people.

Another experiment you can do though is look at highly capitalist countries like Norway or Denmark and look at the consumption patterns and then compare that with other capitalist countries like China (effectively capitalist) or the U.S. or Brazil and see whether or not it’s a cultural phenomenon or perhaps an economic one. As I’m sure you could guess I think it’s cultural.

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Post by jerrygenser »

s3p wrote: post #369
lockhouse wrote: post #259

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What’s mid performance about an iPhone?

Nothing. The iPhone SoC blows every android out of the water. Apple has been dominating mobile performance ever since they went to 64-bit in 2013. That's a decade of leadership in silicon. No android comes close. Not sure what OP is thinking.

I'm saying it's good enough for my use, which is watching YouTube videos, using apps, taking pictures, having a reasonable battery life, making phone calls, sending texts.

It might not be the best possible soc etc. But for $349 it serves me as a daily driver for 3 years without shelling out over $1000

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jjav wrote: post #685
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #518

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Well, yeah, and I'd like a pony. The main issue is security updates. I'm guessing you weren't accessing things like a banking app with highly sensitive financial data on your 2005 Motorola.

> I'm guessing you weren't accessing things like a banking app with highly sensitive financial data For anyone who has done any serious threat modeling exercises would never ever do that from a 2023 phone (I'm fully aware many people do it regardless).w

Yet somehow millions of people do, and I'm not aware of a single banking app breach caused by a zero-day device flaw.

This advice to not use a 2023 phone is just plain silly. I'm not saying it's 100% locked down, but neither is going to a bank branch and talking to someone in person.

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Post by esrauch »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #544
zh3 wrote: post #316

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I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

I’m astounded by the pervasiveness of this meme, given its origins are really from a Mac vs PC internet flame war era that I would like to think we’ve moved past. I’m astounded by the fact that one can imply with a straight face no less that over half the market are status-driven dorks that have no legitimate reason to use an iPhone over an Android phone, the obviously superior for all people in all circumstances cho…

Only half of all people being status-driven in their average purchases of visible accessories seems like a very low Bayesian prior to me in general. I think actually the meme is wrong because most people spending money on an Android phone in the US also basing it on a different form of status, kinda like "I don't own a TV" status. Most of the rest are probably making their choice based on pure cost basis (which can go either way based on resell / used market being better on iPhone).

I would believe that only a small fraction of people are making their phone purchase choice on an axis other than status or price (like you).

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Post by veave »

wvenable wrote: post #196
matchbok wrote: post #7

Years and years of terrible decisions from Google (15 messaging apps, Android SDK glitches that still exist from 2010, copying Apple's features instead of leading) will only continue to let Apple dominate. There's simply no reason to choose Android - iPhone does everything better, for the same price.

My wife is totally in the iOS ecosystem and I'm fully in the Samsung ecosystem and they both have their pros and cons. Pros on Android: My work profile is isolated from my personal profile, I can just copy movies onto the device and play them with VLC, automatic routines are better, audio controls are much better, the back button, ad blockers, real alternative browsers, etc. The problem with long term iPhone users is…

btw, you can copy movies and play them on vlc on your iphone by using itunes on windows or finder on mac. Just put them in the "file sharing" tab.

Windows: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare...

Mac: https://imazing.com/uploads/screenshots/imazing/datasets/app...

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