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Sinead O’Connor has died

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Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by robertlagrant »

schoen wrote: post #231
nailer wrote: post #194

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ok

Similarities: In both cases, people are offended that their religious sensibilities were hurt, and many of them want to lash out angrily against those who offended them. Some of them say that no one should have the right to offend them this way. Some of them try to find a way to retaliate against those who offended them. Differences: In one case, a dozen people are murdered; in the other case, not.

What I mean is you're taking the smaller thing, the partial similarity in motivation, and making that the main thing. The biggest thing is the immense difference in terms of modality.

In the same way we don't equate people being shouted down in a government house debate with people being mown down in political violence, even though there is a superficial similarity in underlying reason.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by schoen »

robertlagrant wrote: post #301
schoen wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarities: In both cases, people are offended that their religious sensibilities were hurt, and many of them want to lash out angrily against those who offended them. Some of them say that no one should have the right to offend them this way. Some of them try to find a way to retaliate against those who offended them. Differences: In one case, a dozen people are murdered; in the other case, not.

What I mean is you're taking the smaller thing, the partial similarity in motivation, and making that the main thing. The biggest thing is the immense difference in terms of modality. In the same way we don't equate people being shouted down in a government house debate with people being mown down in political violence, even though there is a superficial similarity in underlying reason.

I agree with you, and I thought that making the similarities and differences explicit would show that the differences are starker and more significant overall.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by howinteresting »

dang wrote: post #176
howinteresting wrote: post #87

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"Vibes" is not a concept that enters my mind while moderating this place. If you want to understand the real principle by which we moderate HN, something like "prioritize curiosity over indignation" would be closer to the mark. > actual real child sexual abuse is a much bigger problem Of course. It's far more important than anything that goes on on an internet message board like HN. But you might be under a misconcep…

I will take banning these people as evidence that you're sincere about "curiosity over indignation":

Strongly implying that trans people have a "delusion":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805050

Saying that adults in trans kids' lives are "pedophiles":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805394

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by dang »

howinteresting wrote: post #305
dang wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Vibes" is not a concept that enters my mind while moderating this place. If you want to understand the real principle by which we moderate HN, something like "prioritize curiosity over indignation" would be closer to the mark. > actual real child sexual abuse is a much bigger problem Of course. It's far more important than anything that goes on on an internet message board like HN. But you might be under a misconcep…

I will take banning these people as evidence that you're sincere about "curiosity over indignation": Strongly implying that trans people have a "delusion": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805050 Saying that adults in trans kids' lives are "pedophiles": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805394

Those comments are from 12 days ago and there's a simple reason why they weren't moderated at the time: we didn't see them. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by howinteresting »

dang wrote: post #306
howinteresting wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will take banning these people as evidence that you're sincere about "curiosity over indignation": Strongly implying that trans people have a "delusion": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805050 Saying that adults in trans kids' lives are "pedophiles": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36805394

Those comments are from 12 days ago and there's a simple reason why they weren't moderated at the time: we didn't see them. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here.

Okay, so have you banned them now?

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by beedeebeedee »

listenallyall wrote: post #252
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #250

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Why do you think she wanted positive attention? Believe it or not, not everybody is selling themselves all the time.

I don't claim she wanted positive attention to her music, to sell more records or anything. Likely the opposite, who knows. But when people protest, they do so to bring attention to some cause, that's the point of the protest. As she tore the photo, Sinead said into the mic on live television "fight the real enemy," referring to the church. But it totally backfired, instead of taking her claims seriously, the majorit…

> But it totally backfired ... and any investigation into the darkside of the church was likely delayed for a decade or more.

That is completely debunked by the facts and a very bonkers statement. It provided survivors with a sympathetic voice that helped many of them come forward, especially in Ireland. Please get your facts in order before making such an egregious statement.

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