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Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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They allocated $150M according to the article. I can't see that being enough to even break ground on a single mile of track. If California boondoggle is any indication, it will be enough to staff an army of middle managers, bureaucrats, and environmental impact and DEI staff for a year, and, of course, pay out some political kickbacks.

China high speed rail costs about US$ 17-21m per km in China, which has a substantial low cost for labor. This much can't make much

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #24

There are now only 3 decent sized concentrations of people in that corridor, but maybe building something like this would allow a whole new 1MM person metro to develop, e.g. around Olympia or in the Skagit Valley

I sincerely hope not. Sprawl is the anti pattern maximizing human impact. The skagit valley in particular is beautiful - the last it needs is a suburban megaplex.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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> If a rail is built successfully, there will be an extraordinary increase in transportation abilities — saving commuters time while reducing environmental harm. This high-speed rail is intended for people getting between home and workplace on a daily basis? Edit: I'm not asking whether it can be used for daily commutes, but is daily commutes the reason for building this? Or what is the reason?

I have several friends that commute from Portland to seattle via bus or Vancouver to seattle via car or occasionally seaplane taxi. I’m sure they would really appreciate a high speed rail infrastructure particularly if it exits at a transportation hub as they propose.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure it is useful to transport 2000 kg of metal occupying a half of a rail car, just to move 80kg meatbag for a distance of 173 miles.

It's useful because the rail doesn't go to your exact destination. You will need to drive there. It is expensive to have a separate car in both cities instead of just taking a single car with you.

That depends a lot on how the cities on either end are designed, in particular how easy it is to get around without a car in each. Also, car rentals exist.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #32

Extremely unlikely. The population density just isn't there. There are 12m people in Washington and Oregon combined, a substantial portion of whom are not on the I-5 corridor. The corridor in general is about 800km long. Compare to ~70m within 500 km of Paris.

I'd say the vast majority of the population of Oregon and Washington is along the I-5 corridor.

Yep. Half live in the Portland and Seattle metro areas alone.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#46
post #10

> If a rail is built successfully, there will be an extraordinary increase in transportation abilities — saving commuters time while reducing environmental harm. This high-speed rail is intended for people getting between home and workplace on a daily basis? Edit: I'm not asking whether it can be used for daily commutes, but is daily commutes the reason for building this? Or what is the reason?

I have several friends that commute from Portland to seattle via bus or Vancouver to seattle via car or occasionally seaplane taxi. I’m sure they would really appreciate a high speed rail infrastructure particularly if it exits at a transportation hub as they propose.

I know people with long commutes, too. Just eliciting requirements for this project, which I didn't see stated.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#47
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure it is useful to transport 2000 kg of metal occupying a half of a rail car, just to move 80kg meatbag for a distance of 173 miles.

It's useful because the rail doesn't go to your exact destination. You will need to drive there. It is expensive to have a separate car in both cities instead of just taking a single car with you.

If we're talking about high speed rail into Seattle, then you have pretty solid public transit options from the city center to where you would most likely be traveling to.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure it is useful to transport 2000 kg of metal occupying a half of a rail car, just to move 80kg meatbag for a distance of 173 miles.

It's useful because the rail doesn't go to your exact destination. You will need to drive there. It is expensive to have a separate car in both cities instead of just taking a single car with you.

I think it'd be useful to have a cute little helicopter hat, like in the Inspector Gadget cartoons.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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It is the layout. They had a nice bypass set up, but the first day the train derailed and it has just recently re-opened. Sharing track with freight is a PITA: the freight trains don't care about going fast (so no really straight tracks) and they often have priority especially if the cascade is running off schedule, causing even more delays. Not sure where they are going to build new straight-enough HSR track unless…

Legally, Amtrak is supposed to have priority, and freight trains are required to pull off. But freight trains usually get priority because that's what the railway wants, and Amtrak doesn't have the political muscle to do much. But it's illegal. https://www.amtrak.com/on-time-performance https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Amtrak-has-priority-o...

There are tons of loopholes, the biggest of which is running freights that are longer than every siding ...
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