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Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

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post #14

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

I am not sure it is useful to transport 2000 kg of metal occupying a half of a rail car, just to move 80kg meatbag for a distance of 173 miles.

It's useful because the rail doesn't go to your exact destination. You will need to drive there. It is expensive to have a separate car in both cities instead of just taking a single car with you.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#32

Extremely unlikely. The population density just isn't there. There are 12m people in Washington and Oregon combined, a substantial portion of whom are not on the I-5 corridor. The corridor in general is about 800km long. Compare to ~70m within 500 km of Paris.

I'd say the vast majority of the population of Oregon and Washington is along the I-5 corridor.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#34

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

Use a bike instead of a car and you'll be there. (Ideally you can even have your bike be foldable for maximum convenience)

A bike is too slow. It would mean just driving to the destination without a rail would be faster.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#35

Extremely unlikely. The population density just isn't there. There are 12m people in Washington and Oregon combined, a substantial portion of whom are not on the I-5 corridor. The corridor in general is about 800km long. Compare to ~70m within 500 km of Paris.

You probably don’t realize this, but you’re just perpetuating misinformation that’s been debunked repeatedly for decades.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#36
post #5

It would be useful if you could drive your car onto the rail and it carried you and your car at 300 mph.

If done right the stations will be in locations where having a car is more of a liability than a convenience (i.e. downtowns with lots of traffic and expensive parking).

From the article:

And Whittington says the designers must also ensure the rail remains dedicated to its high-speed route and that people have the ability to get to the rail through other means of public transportation. “There are going to be a lot of communities you want to serve,” Whittington said, “but you want to find a way to bring those communities to the routes as opposed to bringing the route to the communities.”

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#37
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If done right the stations will be in locations where having a car is more of a liability than a convenience (i.e. downtowns with lots of traffic and expensive parking).

There’s a little problem with that. You want people who live close but not directly near one of the stations to also drive and park and take it. So you do need stations continently outside of the super dense metro area.

Buses will probably link up from day 1, places with Metros will extend them to the stations (see Taiwan for instance).

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#38

Extremely unlikely. The population density just isn't there. There are 12m people in Washington and Oregon combined, a substantial portion of whom are not on the I-5 corridor. The corridor in general is about 800km long. Compare to ~70m within 500 km of Paris.

and it looks like they have 7 high speed lines coming from Paris. Seems the PNW could afford 1.

And before the 70s there were none.

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#39
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the tracks are the most expensive part though, no? Although I'm not sure if you mean the physical tracks are in poor condition or the layout. If it's the layout, that's not much easier to fix than building a HSR. They may not even be able to fix the railroad company owned tracks?

It is the layout. They had a nice bypass set up, but the first day the train derailed and it has just recently re-opened. Sharing track with freight is a PITA: the freight trains don't care about going fast (so no really straight tracks) and they often have priority especially if the cascade is running off schedule, causing even more delays. Not sure where they are going to build new straight-enough HSR track unless…

Legally, Amtrak is supposed to have priority, and freight trains are required to pull off. But freight trains usually get priority because that's what the railway wants, and Amtrak doesn't have the political muscle to do much. But it's illegal.

https://www.amtrak.com/on-time-performance

https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Amtrak-has-priority-o...

Re: Plans develop for high-speed rail in the PNW

#40
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah see this is the problem - urbanist aesthetics demanding everyone live a very particular lifestyle, which includes a lot more than just urban living hamstringing projects.

> urbanist aesthetics demanding everyone live a very particular lifestyle, which includes a lot more than just urban living hamstringing projects. You’re literally just describing how most of the population lives and has lived for the past 1000 years. Your “urbanist aesthetics” predate the invention of cars.

The small towns and farmsteads of history look a lot more like suburbs than modern high-rises. Even in large cities, every house would have significant garden to meet everyday needs.

A very small percentage of the population lived in "urban" cities, with houses back-to-back. Rome was an anomaly in that regard, made possible by significant farmsteads held by the nobility outside the city and grain bribes paid out by them.

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