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This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by guerrilla »

echelon wrote: post #238
guerrilla wrote: post #218

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I figured you would say that but your hubris is entirely unwarranted. The Taliban just handed the most powerful military on the planet their ass. They beat the USSR too. The Veitcong did it before them. Look at how badly the barefoot Houthis beat the shit out of KSA even with direct US support. Look at Russia being sent packing. Don't gamble on these things. It's foolish to expose yourself to those kinds of risks if…

I'm not sure this is a good stick to measure. The American voting public didn't have an appetite for those fights. Put the American economy at risk and you get the Gulf War. Attack America directly and you get the Pacific theater. In any case, none of those particular points matter. No poor country is going to be able to resource starve the wealthiest nations. If they try to invade or block trade, they'll find out th…

It's irrelevant what appetite they had because they lost abd they were losing long before they left both Afghanistan and Vietnam.

Several of the countires made "poor" by climate change will have nuclear weapons: Indian, Pakistan, France, Israel, North Korea. You're living in a fantasy. Time to wake up.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by irthomasthomas »

wombat-man wrote: post #90

Cool, well, we just have to wait for enough people on the planet to believe in the problem and then we'll get right on it.

Show me the evidence and I'm the easiest the man in the world to convince. But so far I only see good in the climate change. Longer growing seasons, bumper crop yields and more food security. Earth is greening, enjoy it.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by Timon3 »

t0bia_s wrote: post #249
Timon3 wrote: post #245

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How do I know what? The earlier, the latter, both?

That humans never faced this before and it's collapse of whole ecosystem.

> That humans never faced this before

Can you point to any time during the existence of our species with a similar kind of change?

> and it's collapse of whole ecosystem.

That's mostly based on scientific studies, existing examples of rapid changes in ecosystems, and previous mass extinction events. Do you have any evidence counter to this idea?

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by bryanlarsen »

myshpa wrote: post #233
bryanlarsen wrote: post #214

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> If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares (and free up an area the size of Africa). No we wouldn't. Everybody gets cause and effect backwards on this one. They see that we're using essentially all of our arable land for food production and draw the conclusion that's how much is needed to produce the amount of food we currently produce. But it's…

Moving towards a plant-based diet would mean needing less land as we wouldn't be raising as many animals for meat. The greenhouse idea is cool, but it'd be very resource intensive. So, while we can definitely get creative with land use, we also need to consider the costs and environmental impacts.

No, it means that farmers will stop dumping so much fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides on their land chasing high yields. It means 30 bushel per acre crops instead of 100 bushel per acre crops. It means cheaper food. All good things, but land usage won't change significantly.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by t0bia_s »

Timon3 wrote: post #253
t0bia_s wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That humans never faced this before and it's collapse of whole ecosystem.

> That humans never faced this before Can you point to any time during the existence of our species with a similar kind of change? > and it's collapse of whole ecosystem. That's mostly based on scientific studies, existing examples of rapid changes in ecosystems, and previous mass extinction events. Do you have any evidence counter to this idea?

That's not evidence for your worlds or answer for my question.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by Timon3 »

t0bia_s wrote: post #255
Timon3 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That humans never faced this before Can you point to any time during the existence of our species with a similar kind of change? > and it's collapse of whole ecosystem. That's mostly based on scientific studies, existing examples of rapid changes in ecosystems, and previous mass extinction events. Do you have any evidence counter to this idea?

That's not evidence for your worlds or answer for my question.

It is an answer, even if you don't like it.

You didn't ask for "evidence for my worlds".

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by t0bia_s »

Timon3 wrote: post #256
t0bia_s wrote: post #255

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That's not evidence for your worlds or answer for my question.

It is an answer, even if you don't like it. You didn't ask for "evidence for my worlds".

You should have background for your worlds. If you claim something, it doesn't mean that it is a fact until other proves the opposite.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by ditch_baby »

THENATHE wrote: post #246
wombat-man wrote: post #90

Cool, well, we just have to wait for enough people on the planet to believe in the problem and then we'll get right on it.

I think the real problem is that the temperature is variable. Phoenix had its longest stretch of 110+ degree days since 74, which is damning to the average person for climate change. Think “if we had a comparable heat wave 50 years ago, why should I assume the planet is heating up?” Now, do I believe in climate change? Yes, of course. Do I think this one year is the mark of the next year and the year after that stead…

You’re not wrong on a micro scale, but this is global average temperature. There is significantly more energy trapped on the surface of the Earth, and it doesn’t have anywhere else to go. There are many many factors contributing to the reason why this year has been such a massive leap, primarily El Niño (behind GHG’s of course), but the consequences are dire.

There will be permanent damage to critical Earth systems that will further accelerate climate change, even if the temp backs down as El Niño retreats.

Oh, and by the way, El Niño is still ‘ramping up’ and won’t be at max energy for another 2-3 years. Expect more large temperature anomalies in the coming summers.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by Timon3 »

t0bia_s wrote: post #257
Timon3 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is an answer, even if you don't like it. You didn't ask for "evidence for my worlds".

You should have background for your worlds. If you claim something, it doesn't mean that it is a fact until other proves the opposite.

I do! I even told you the background. You just don't like it.

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by ditch_baby »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #252
wombat-man wrote: post #90

Cool, well, we just have to wait for enough people on the planet to believe in the problem and then we'll get right on it.

Show me the evidence and I'm the easiest the man in the world to convince. But so far I only see good in the climate change. Longer growing seasons, bumper crop yields and more food security. Earth is greening, enjoy it.

Longer seasons will be good for a few years, until summer gets so hot that people start dying. Oh wait, they are dying, in the order of hundreds of thousands of climate deaths each year. But that’s okay, because we have hearty, heat resistant crops. Oh wait, we don’t. There are already reports of major crop failures in North Africa and minor crop failures in Europe.

Some years there will be massive flooding that obliterates yield, and other years it will be heat and drought. None of the reputable science sources I’ve read post anything positive about future crop yields regarding climate change, quite the opposite.

Current climate predictions place us at +3C by the end of the century, which means 100F+ wet bulb temps in previously moderate climates. Nothing we care about survives those temperatures. Not people or crops or cattle.

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