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This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by solumunus »

sublinear wrote: post #201
russdill wrote: post #138

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So what you're saying, is that even with a weaker el nino, we still have higher global average temps? And this is somehow "sensationalized?"

Depends on how you define an "average" and what temperature you're measuring. The oceans are directly affected by global warming. The oceans are like a big thermal battery. The atmosphere and resulting weather are indirectly affected. What determines the weather are the global jetstreams. Global warming causes more turbulence in them, but the heat being experienced is not literally from global warming. It could be ju…

What about the ones I regularly see posted here showing the ocean warming at a worrying pace?

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Post by defrost »

solumunus wrote: post #239
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #200

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Hopefully! I'm guardedly optimistic, because I think renewable tech will save us, but we're going to have some real stormy political times to get there. Donald Trump, the conspiracy theorist gameshow host was elected president of the USA! And might be again! So there's no room for complacency.

Sorry to burst your bubble but even if we used magic to switch to 100% renewables tomorrow the warming wouldn’t stop for a very long time. We’re on a bad path no matter what we do, it’s just how bad?

You're correct to a degree, magically eliminating FF use now will not stop warming increase for some time (damn heat and gas equations and lag), but

we do have the option (whether we take up on that) to

* reduce input visible light by (say) using space bubbles to gently shade earth, and|or

* extract C02 from atmosphere using big industry scale procesess powered by excess renewable energy (and then to sequester that CO2 rather than use it to make more faux green synthetic fuels that return it to the atmosphere).

These are not easy things, these are things that require nation scale commitment and follow through, but yes, options exist.

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Post by solumunus »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #59

Meanwhile in the UK summer has been grey, rainy and miserable.

Personally I find it nice not having to go to sleep naked, with no covers and a fan while still being uncomfortably hot. These occasional non cloudy, dry 22-24 C days are perfect weather.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

shdh wrote: post #215
zosima wrote: post #165

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It's been tradition in Algeria to migrate to the coast during the summer-months, since forever. Other locations similarly popular is mountain regions. That's going to continue to work for many years and degrees to come, so I'm not sure if the problem really is as severe as you think.

Coastal properties in Western nations are the most expensive in general

Not all coastal properties are low lying. Florida is going to get decimated by sea level rises, California is going to lose maybe a few feet of beach in comparison.

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Post by Timon3 »

t0bia_s wrote: post #227
Timon3 wrote: post #111

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> The question always is if we can even do something about the climate now or if we should spend the energy and resources into preparing for a potentially inevitable future. It's usually easier to stop doing something than to deal with the consequences of doing something. > Humans have always been champions of handling change. Why should this be different? Humans have never faced this kind of change. It will be diffe…

How do you know that?

How do I know what? The earlier, the latter, both?

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Post by THENATHE »

wombat-man wrote: post #90

Cool, well, we just have to wait for enough people on the planet to believe in the problem and then we'll get right on it.

I think the real problem is that the temperature is variable.

Phoenix had its longest stretch of 110+ degree days since 74, which is damning to the average person for climate change. Think “if we had a comparable heat wave 50 years ago, why should I assume the planet is heating up?”

Now, do I believe in climate change? Yes, of course. Do I think this one year is the mark of the next year and the year after that steadily increasing in temp? No, not at all, or at least not an amount that is noticeable by humans. Climate change is something that is far more subtle and far reaching than “phoenix is a 5f hotter”

Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years

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Post by THENATHE »

solumunus wrote: post #241
sublinear wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on how you define an "average" and what temperature you're measuring. The oceans are directly affected by global warming. The oceans are like a big thermal battery. The atmosphere and resulting weather are indirectly affected. What determines the weather are the global jetstreams. Global warming causes more turbulence in them, but the heat being experienced is not literally from global warming. It could be ju…

What about the ones I regularly see posted here showing the ocean warming at a worrying pace?

That still doesn’t contribute to the whole planet getting 10 degrees hotter in one year. The oceans heating up means that over the next 30+ years we see that kind of change maybe, honestly more like 80-120 years.

Climate change is real, but this heat wave has nothing to do with it

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Post by zosima »

anigbrowl wrote: post #237
zosima wrote: post #158

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Sudan: current population 50.000.000 population in 1950: 6 191 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sudan I'd say they've been thriving.

The comparison I replied to was over a 15000 year interval. Please do not muddy the waters like this, it's rude.

Well, if the earths population was 2 million, 15000 years ago and Sudan's today is 50 million, I think it's quite clear that Sudan's population has gone up quite a bit also over 15000 years.

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Post by irthomasthomas »

solumunus wrote: post #239
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully! I'm guardedly optimistic, because I think renewable tech will save us, but we're going to have some real stormy political times to get there. Donald Trump, the conspiracy theorist gameshow host was elected president of the USA! And might be again! So there's no room for complacency.

Sorry to burst your bubble but even if we used magic to switch to 100% renewables tomorrow the warming wouldn’t stop for a very long time. We’re on a bad path no matter what we do, it’s just how bad?

What's bad about it? I don't mind the heat. And it's nice that the growing season is getting longer, the earth is greening and we're getting bumper crop yields. I'd be a lot more depressed in 50 or a hundred years or so when the cooling kicks in.
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