As the world burns, here is some nice data to look at: https://berkeleyearth.org/june-2023-temperature-update/
That Antarctic sea ice anomaly for this year is worrying
This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
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Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
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> To ask these countries to reduce their energy requirements is to ask their citizens to live a lower standard of life. Hypocritical of those in the West to make that request. That's a weird take. The West has colonized the rest of the world, enslaved people, exported cheap product to decimate local industry (sometimes at gunpoint), extracted resources (frequently with indigenous people working like slaves), propped…
How many wrongs do you think will make a right? Shouldn't we strive for a solution that uplifts everyone rather than limiting the aspirations of those who were historically exploited? It's not about denying climate change or the necessity to act, but it's about finding a path forward that respects the rights of all nations to develop. This entails working towards sustainable, clean energy solutions and aiding develop…
The only thing that was push towards sustainable energy is when its better per dollar.
Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
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> very few things that will reduce CO2 is going to help against deforestation Reform of agriculture might be it. Agriculture is also the leading driver of deforestation (50% of pastures were forested in the past). > large scale reforestation will probably not affect CO2 very much either But it could, it's probably the best tool in our arsenal. And it would not only affect CO2, but many of our other problems too (drou…
> If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares (and free up an area the size of Africa). No we wouldn't. Everybody gets cause and effect backwards on this one. They see that we're using essentially all of our arable land for food production and draw the conclusion that's how much is needed to produce the amount of food we currently produce. But it's…
Moving towards a plant-based diet would mean needing less land as we wouldn't be raising as many animals for meat. The greenhouse idea is cool, but it'd be very resource intensive.
So, while we can definitely get creative with land use, we also need to consider the costs and environmental impacts.
Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
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What if it’s all a hoax, and we create a better world for nothing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Pett#/media/File%3AWhat...
You got to explain to me how wrecking our electricity grid and living with threat of exploding electricity prices (so much so, that there has been many reports of poor people not being able to afford heating in the winter) is making the world a better place.
The Texas grid that broke down was all natural gas [0]. Coal kills millions a year, not even through warming, but through pollution [1]. There is no equivalence.
[0]: https://www.eenews.net/articles/investigation-texas-failed-t...
[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-f...
Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
#235Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
#236As the world burns, here is some nice data to look at: https://berkeleyearth.org/june-2023-temperature-update/
1. The nice thing about these charts is that if I cherrypick particular dates (Coldest months in the past few years, warmest months decades ago), I can clearly demonstrate that temperatures aren't actually going up. 2. Which is exactly what dishonest people do with them. 3. Things over the past few years aren't as bad as they seemed now. These past few years are likely going to be the coldest years of the 21st centur…
I'm looking at the graphs for 'Global Warming by Month' and 'Earth's Average Temerature'.
The colored lines are sometimes 30 years and sometimes 20 years. I wonder why they're not equally spaced?
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Now do Sudan
Sudan: current population 50.000.000 population in 1950: 6 191 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sudan I'd say they've been thriving.
The comparison I replied to was over a 15000 year interval. Please do not muddy the waters like this, it's rude.
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> The latter aren't just going to roll over and die. They're going to go to war to survive because there's nothing to lose in not doing so and everything to gain. And they'll lose. If you look at the distribution of power, it's not predicted to change all that much. The superpowers are enormously capable of maintaining their grip. The complaints of poor nations will be met with meager welfare packages and mostly tune…
I figured you would say that but your hubris is entirely unwarranted. The Taliban just handed the most powerful military on the planet their ass. They beat the USSR too. The Veitcong did it before them. Look at how badly the barefoot Houthis beat the shit out of KSA even with direct US support. Look at Russia being sent packing. Don't gamble on these things. It's foolish to expose yourself to those kinds of risks if…
I'm not sure this is a good stick to measure. The American voting public didn't have an appetite for those fights.
Put the American economy at risk and you get the Gulf War. Attack America directly and you get the Pacific theater.
In any case, none of those particular points matter. No poor country is going to be able to resource starve the wealthiest nations. If they try to invade or block trade, they'll find out the limits of their power.
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Predictable by whom? I’ll tag you in 30 years when nothing of significance has happened.
Hopefully! I'm guardedly optimistic, because I think renewable tech will save us, but we're going to have some real stormy political times to get there. Donald Trump, the conspiracy theorist gameshow host was elected president of the USA! And might be again! So there's no room for complacency.
Sorry to burst your bubble but even if we used magic to switch to 100% renewables tomorrow the warming wouldn’t stop for a very long time. We’re on a bad path no matter what we do, it’s just how bad?
Re: This month is the planet’s hottest on record by far – and hottest in 120k years
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> The only real solution is to make energy ubiquitous and plentiful. Renewables have been the boring, consensus answer to this for about a decade. There's some obscure academic discussions about the exact makeup of the last 15% of energy needs, but most of those options revolve around how to best reuse the massive amounts of nearly free electricity that a sensible overbuild of renewables will create at other times. I…
The radical insistence on renewables as the ONLY energy source, and the equally radical opposition to Nuclear is part of why we aren't improving fission and researching fusion more, which would get us out of the woods. No compromise is being pursued from the renewables side, while the nuclear side completely agree that renewables will be a major part of our grid.
Nuclear is simply still too expensive to “overbuild” on, if we got costs down then sure, but we can’t just magic up all the capital needed to build and even maintain the plants, even if they are cheap to fuel. But right now solar, wind, and perhaps more hydro (if we aren’t at our limit yet) make more sense.