UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

Post by bonzini » Thu, Jul 27, 2023, 6:47 PM UTC

Pannoniae wrote: post #100

bonzini wrote: post #97

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> freedom of speech doesn't only apply to people I like or accept That is not the case in large parts of the world. WikiLeaks might be a better example.

"That is not the case in large parts of the world" that doesn't mean giving up and accepting it. "Are you defending X?"-type attacks are horrendous and just contribute to polarisation. Everyone deserves free speech, not just people I like.

Post by bonzini » Thu, Jul 27, 2023, 8:18 PM UTC

Pannoniae wrote: post #102

bonzini wrote: post #101

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In large parts of the world people might not agree that everyone deserves free speech. Sorry for the early Godwin, but for example Nazi apology is not protected in Germany and I suspect most Germans agree that it shouldn't. Personally I am not sure why users and admins of Kiwifarms are not considered to be complicit in harassment and stalking (and also how in the world SWATting can basically go unpunished), which are…

I mean..... if it's a crime, okay, that's a law enforcement matter. If the kiwifarms site operators get convicted for harassment and stalking, that's fine by me. What is not fine by me is saying they don't deserve free speech even if they haven't committed a crime.

Post by esquivalience » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

StuntPope wrote: post #93

esquivalience wrote: post #90

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Can you please post a source for the ivermectin point? If I understand your comment you're suggesting that it is effective against covid, but I may be misunderstanding.

Are you asking for a source on "ivermectin is not a horse de-wormer" Other than that it has been an FDA approved drug for over thirty years? Or are you asking for a source on somebody getting deplatformed for saying that, and Dr. Peter McCullough comes to mind there. The Great Barrington Declaration was also de-indexed from Google for disputing lockdowns.

Post by happymellon » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 8:28 AM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #71

elforce002 wrote: post #42

One question to UK fellas: is it me or the UK is becoming some sort of a surveillance state right in front of us just like china?

is it me or the UK is becoming some sort of a surveillance state right in front of us just like china Yes and no. The UK is a highly surveilled country. We have more CCTV cameras than any other country. We have Automatic Number Plate Recognition tracking cars literally everywhere. We're a part of Echelon and Five Eyes and probably a whole bunch of other things. Pretty much everything we do is tracked. But... That dat…

Post by vGPU » Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 1:29 AM UTC

kneebonian wrote: post #52

stuckinhell wrote: post #43

I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE! The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate. You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of lin…