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How India Became America

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Re: How India Became America

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As someone who knows little about Indian society and have never set foot on American soul, I'm obviously a bit limited wrt the subject matter. That said, this text reads to me as a shallow piece of nationalism. The comments here (which are - I might add - much more interesting to read) seems to confirm that.

I'm wondering if the author is naïeve or if it's deliberate propaganda. If the latter - which groups would promote such views and are they dominant in India?

Re: How India Became America

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Before the elites in India consider themselves comparable to America, I would hope they address the swingeing poverty and piss poor literacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_r...

1) Literacy The problem with the 75 % literacy is that many of those uneducated people are old and can not be taught now. The literacy of youth is about 85% which is still bad, but the number is gaining exponentially and should be near American levels in 15 years. That is less than a generation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India 2) Poverty India has been free for 65 years. This was after 200 years of Bri…

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Re: How India Became America

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(Speaking as person who has spent 10+ years in each country) India is no where close to America. There are so many enormous fundamental differences that anyone making such a comparison needs to be looked at as naive at best. - India's population id 4X that of America - More than half the population is below the poverty line - India is amongst the most corrupt nations in the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of…

You have summarized it well and I agree to most of your points. Its ridiculous how educational institutions have such a narrow focus on exams and the grades you score rather than actual learning. While this might be true in other places too, its ingrained in society here and any deviation from the set norms is not accepted well. Teachers are not paid well either and that adds to the problem.

Perhaps its because of this that innovation and research are very limited here.

Another fundamental difference is the constitution and the laws. Atleast on the book, the American constitution provides far more rights to the citizens than the Indian constitution. India as a country is far more regulated by the government. This means there are more avenues for corruption to happen since you need the permission of the authorities for almost everything. I feel the entire country is moving towards an authoritarian state with so much power vested in government institutions.

There are just too many things to list that its overloading my head when I try to list them out.I hope that the nation moves forward in a direction of its own, taking in the good values while discarding the propaganda.

Re: How India Became America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you misinterpreted his words. Being an 'Indian businessperson' itself is not done much because of the 'play it safe' attitude. Yes, Indians are that risk-averse.

Well, most people around the world are averse to business. Is there really a bigger proportion of Chinese or Russian or Egyptian businesspersons than Indian? (In fact, India has a handful of extremely business-minded communities -- the Marwadis and the Gujaratis, and to a lesser extent the Punjabis, Sindhis and Malayalis. If anything, India does relatively well on this metric.)

Interesting point ... Do you think the geography of the region played a big role in keeping the tradition alive? I'm always surprised to see how my community (Bengalis) are so resistant to business - even though I have read Bengali traders ventured into overseas trading way back in history. What I felt was Calcutta becoming the capital during British India, generated a lot of government jobs for 200 years. That growth led to the downfall of the entrepreneurs in our region.

Growing up in Calcutta my Mariwari and Gujrati friends were always excited to talk about business. It was clear how their parents encouraged it. I was clearly taught business is a strict NO-NO. Get a stable job and settle down. When I look back, in a class of 60 odd people in my computer science undergrad class 95% "settled down". Only two dared to kick their job and go for a startup.

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India is a big, diverse country in terms of people, culture and economy. The article is pigeonholing a country with over a billion people in sparse categories. Any article talking about "India" is mostly generalizing based on a small dataset. The filty rich, people dressed in filty clothes, and "people in between" co-exist in India. The first experience of India starts right where the airport ends - the crowd of tout…

You should know that there's no such thing as Aryan invasion.

Re: How India Became America

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(Speaking as person who has spent 10+ years in each country) India is no where close to America. There are so many enormous fundamental differences that anyone making such a comparison needs to be looked at as naive at best. - India's population id 4X that of America - More than half the population is below the poverty line - India is amongst the most corrupt nations in the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of…

suprgeek is right. Standard deviation is too huge in all aspects of India.

Re: How India Became America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't imply that there is no charity in India, but I suggest that when the country habors one third of the worlds poor that there is a way to go. I find your argument strange if you don't recognize the magnitude of India's poverty compared to the U.S. and Western Europe. My beef with the article is that it in no ways recognizes this problem.

India harbors a large percentage of the world's population; it's not surprising that it has many of the world's poor people. That India is poorer than the US and western Europe cannot be denied. I've been there, and I've seen the poverty. But the challenges it's dealing with are huge. And I don't think criticism from the bleachers will do much to improve the situation.

I think you'll find that India still receives foreign aid from 'the bleachers'.
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