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Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by lancesells »

pjc50 wrote: post #250
malwrar wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually got stranded once for some hours because of the mileage indicator! Was driving back from a campsite that I turned out to not have charging compatibility with, but thought I had plenty of margin to get to the nearest charger. As I drove through the mountains however, I began noticing that a.) my battery was depleting much faster than expected and b.) I wasn’t seeing any houses and very few motorists. I watc…

> slow is fast, keep it at 60 if you want the milage meter to not die as quick This also works in petrol cars: the air resistance efficiency falloff is dramatic at higher speeds.

The use of AC / Heat will also just burn through your battery or your gas at a much faster rate.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by tshaddox »

samwillis wrote: post #213
jvanderbot wrote: post #8

I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…

The solution is to not show miles on the basic battery meter, just percentage. Maybe show a rage next to it - 130-160 miles. But that too honest. ICE cars all show a percentage, and maybe additionally a mileage on newer cars . The fact that they threw that away is a little silly.

I also prefer the battery meter to show percentage simply to reduce range anxiety. Even if the mileage estimate was accurate, I’d rather not constantly be calculating how many miles I think I might need to drive before the next charge.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by ineedasername »

dietsche wrote: post #160

As a Tesla owner, I think the source of the confusion is the EPA range displayed in the HUD on the Tesla. We toggled ours to show the battery percentage, which is much more useful to us. We've never owned a gas vehicle that met it's EPA range and the Tesla is no different. No one takes EPA MPG * GALLONS of gas and expects it to be a real life estimate of range. Wind resistance increases EXPONENTIALLY with speed. Driv…

My EPA highway mile rating is lower than I see in actual driving in my ICE. City is about accurate unless I’ve been in a lot of traffic’s with its look back range for live mpg estimates. Lots of owners of other EV brands and the article itself said they’re much better than Tesla’s estimate as well. It’s difficult to see how the issue is anything but specific to Tesla and its method of presenting info to consumers. They were even force to lower their previously stated range, per the linked article.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by vel0city »

stetrain wrote: post #385
vel0city wrote: post #375

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Resistance is the same as on flat ground. It shouldn't be making an impact in the whole going up and down the mountain. The amount of resistance you get going 10mi at 60mph is the same going up as going down as going flat. So we're still at you spent some extra energy going up, and now you have that extra energy going down. I do get if you're needing to ride the brakes a lot you'll get a pretty big impact on range, b…

2000ft of elevation change in 35 miles is likely to require braking.

2000ft over 35mi is like a 1% grade. That's not much of a grade.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by sib »

samwillis wrote: post #213
jvanderbot wrote: post #8

I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…

The solution is to not show miles on the basic battery meter, just percentage. Maybe show a rage next to it - 130-160 miles. But that too honest. ICE cars all show a percentage, and maybe additionally a mileage on newer cars . The fact that they threw that away is a little silly.

If you tap the miles indicator, it changes to percent.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by e40 »

panick21_ wrote: post #382
e40 wrote: post #364

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> There are so many people out to get Tesla right now it's hard to process stories like these I have no dog in this fight. Never owned or thought about buying a Tesla. The details described in the story, if true, are very serious. Are you suggesting the story is made up? I'm a firm believer in the idea that people can be brilliant in one way and dumb in many others. Elon seems hellbent on showing us all the ways he's…

I wish I was so dumb that I could create SpaceX.

Perhaps that was the brilliant part I was talking about.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by singpolyma3 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #225
malwrar wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually got stranded once for some hours because of the mileage indicator! Was driving back from a campsite that I turned out to not have charging compatibility with, but thought I had plenty of margin to get to the nearest charger. As I drove through the mountains however, I began noticing that a.) my battery was depleting much faster than expected and b.) I wasn’t seeing any houses and very few motorists. I watc…

This really is an extreme and specific example, but risks like this are why most people want lots ( lots ) of range and why gas/diesel cars won't die out any time soon. The sheer ease of mind that comes with having densely packed energy that can be replenished at a moment's notice practically anywhere should not be disregarded easily. Maybe battery tech can get there some day, but it's certainly not today.

If you drive your tank dry on the side of the road in a valley with no cell service, the fact that gas stations are plentiful won't help you and you're in exactly this same situation.

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Post by charcircuit »

svnt wrote: post #192
gen220 wrote: post #175

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You should have higher expectations of your vehicle. My 2016 ICE car's "miles left" meter is accurate to +/- 2 miles from the moment I top up the tank (80% highway driving, 20% hilly city and rolling country roads). IMO, accurately telling the vehicle operator how many miles of juice you have left is a KPI, as it informs when you'll need to plan for refueling. Having driven an EV for a few weeks in identical conditio…

The difficulty is because of the difference in operating regimes of the power trains. An old ICE has to run within an RPM range, so the top end on MPG is set below infinite, and the bottom end is limited by the time to ramp the engine to its max consumption. Electric vehicles have neither of these issues. On a downhill run that is long enough you could in theory fully recharge your battery, and you can always send fu…

>On a downhill run that is long enough you could in theory fully recharge your battery

Such a road would by identifiable by the car's GPS.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by perfectritone »

malwrar wrote: post #158
jvanderbot wrote: post #8

I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…

I actually got stranded once for some hours because of the mileage indicator! Was driving back from a campsite that I turned out to not have charging compatibility with, but thought I had plenty of margin to get to the nearest charger. As I drove through the mountains however, I began noticing that a.) my battery was depleting much faster than expected and b.) I wasn’t seeing any houses and very few motorists. I watc…

The last paragraph firmly places this story in America.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Post by tekla »

crypot wrote: post #393
tekla wrote: post #150

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How is it false advertising.

It is false advertising. FTA: Musk and two local executives did so in a June 19 statement, acknowledging “false/exaggerated advertising.”

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