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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by jpadkins »

constantcrying wrote: post #512
kromem wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why no one ever throws out time travel as an explanation over extraterrestrial. Given the limit of the speed of information and the expansion of the universe, there's a VERY small area that would even be aware of the signals we've started sending out over the past century to come looking. But Earth would be an extremely interesting destination....for future Earth. Though personally the most likely answer…

Time travel backwards is causality breaking, which is a far, far more important physical principle than relativity. Time travel forwards is quite simple though, but less exciting.

we can't rule out time travel forward on Earth. There is geological evidence of civilization destroying events 12k years ago, possibly more. I've often thought about why it took 300-400k years to go from fire to agricultural-civilization, then tech takes off in under 5k years from that point. What if the time from fire to civilization was faster, but those civilizations were wiped out (by geological, astrological or self-inflicted reasons)?

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Post by wildrhythms »

dave333 wrote: post #503

It seems more likely that rumors of aliens is obfuscation of the military by the military to avoid rumors about secret programs. Non-human biologics are easy to fake and photograph and might pass if no close or detailed examination is made.

No need to fake 'non-human biologics' when a bird can poop on the wreckage and viola "'Non-human biologics' were found on crashed craft." Vague wording can be used to justify almost anything for people who are predisposed to believe it.

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Post by phyrex »

jpadkins wrote: post #521
constantcrying wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time travel backwards is causality breaking, which is a far, far more important physical principle than relativity. Time travel forwards is quite simple though, but less exciting.

we can't rule out time travel forward on Earth. There is geological evidence of civilization destroying events 12k years ago, possibly more. I've often thought about why it took 300-400k years to go from fire to agricultural-civilization, then tech takes off in under 5k years from that point. What if the time from fire to civilization was faster, but those civilizations were wiped out (by geological, astrological or…

There’s good evidence against that. All the easily mineable resources that a civilization needs to build more advanced technology will be used up by the first civilization. I’ve heard it said that if we destroy our current technology there will be no way to rebuild it because there’s no way to mine the resources to build it back up.

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Post by boffinAudio »

Flatcircle wrote: post #511

Please. If aliens were on earth there’d be lots of quality video and photos from people’s cellphones. Too many people with too many cellphones to not have any proof.

The recent videos from the family in Nevada who had aliens in their back yard were pretty compelling ..

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Post by latchkey »

boffinAudio wrote: post #524
Flatcircle wrote: post #511

Please. If aliens were on earth there’d be lots of quality video and photos from people’s cellphones. Too many people with too many cellphones to not have any proof.

The recent videos from the family in Nevada who had aliens in their back yard were pretty compelling ..

The issue with 'recent' is that we now have the ability to fabricate anything using CGI.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

> not human.

okay, so? they didn't say non-terrestrial.

we've put dogs, monkeys, all sorts of other critters in to experimental aircraft.

also, the Russians (Soviets) / Chinese / Europe all have good air and space monitoring capabilities and satellites -- and there is an awful lot more land in Russia. Why aren't they confirming these things?

I'll say it again: this is a way for FedGov to burn media cycles as both Hunter Biden and Trump are facing indictments that have real teeth. Same story since the 90s and the Oklahoma City Bombing, a great way to keep the q-anon / rube demographic riled up.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

jmopp wrote: post #437
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government is not leaking anything. If you watched and knew about the people who testified today, they are whistleblowers. They are going against the government. And they have been administratively terrorized. That’s their word.

They can be whistleblowers and still part of the conspiracy without being in on it. I can buy the Pentagon working on some advanced technology outside the purview of Congress. I can also buy that it's so secret that the response to such first-hand accounts are "Nothing to see here; move along" and if people press too hard they're told "It's aliens. Don't tell anyone - for obvious reasons"

> They can be whistleblowers and still part of the conspiracy without being in on it.

the russians called them "useful idiots".

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Post by kelipso »

kahnclusions wrote: post #487
wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

> Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. These are not "good" answers to the Fermi paradox, and definitely not the only answers. Much better answers (in my opinion) are things like: their signals haven't reached us yet; they haven't developed interstellar communications or travel yet; they haven't developed intelligent l…

> I would think an alien spacecraft carrying the energy and resources needed for interstellar travel (including the return trip) would be pretty obvious and detectable even by amateur astronomers.

I don't think this is true. If an alien ship landed on the moon, we won't know about it. No equipment or resources put in to monitor something like that. Much less all the other planets, moons, and asteroids in the solar system.

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Post by rdtsc »

kromem wrote: post #430
wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

I don't get why no one ever throws out time travel as an explanation over extraterrestrial. Given the limit of the speed of information and the expansion of the universe, there's a VERY small area that would even be aware of the signals we've started sending out over the past century to come looking. But Earth would be an extremely interesting destination....for future Earth. Though personally the most likely answer…

Since the earth, and the whole solar system, along with the galaxy are moving through space, I can imagine some clever scientist discovering time travel, firing up they time machine, only to then find themselves in vacuum of space in a place the earth had long passed by already.

Others try to calculate and predict the position. But they didn’t use enough floating point precision bits and ended up in the earth’s crust or somewhere in the ocean.

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