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Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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One odd thing that I've not seen any discussion on: the reported heat capacity of LK-99 decreases above 250K, which is pretty atypical. Has there been any commentary on that?

> Has there been any commentary on that? German, but nevertheless: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=9a3f8740 "I work in the field [...] we don't believe a word of this. [...] The data set in Fig. 4(b) is also a treat. It is VERY unusual when the heat capacity decreases again at high temperatures. This can happen at low temperatures, but not at high temperatures. [...] My personal assumption is that the authors measured an ins…

Came here to mention this. Here is a full deepl translation of the post, for those who are interested (in the above linked post of a blog the blog author recites a mail from one of his readers):

"I work in the field and we discussed the preprint a bit in the research group this morning. In a nutshell, we don't believe a word of it:

    Fig. 1(a) and (c) are implausible. Normally, this sort of thing looks like this. Note the gradual increase at low currents, this effect is especially expected for magnetic fields.

    Also Fig. 1(d) cannot be correct. At Tc ~ 400K the Meissner effect would displace a much stronger field than 10 Oe = 1 mT. I.e. the distinction between FC (field cooled) and ZFC (zero-field cooled) should not be so pronounced. It should look more like this.
What the authors might mean is that they are outside the Meissner range, which can occur at higher magnetic fields (keyword: Type II superconductors). This then looks like this.

But in this case the temperature dependence does not agree at all with the critical currents of Fig. 1(a) and (c).

And also that ALL values in Fig. 1(d) are negative is extremely unusual, but this could perhaps be argued.

    The data set in Fig. 4(b) is also a treat. It is VERY unusual to see the heat capacity decrease again at high temperatures. This can happen at low temperatures, but rather not at high temperatures.

    I know the described experimental setup / cryostat very well. There is no reasonable reason why the authors did not measure at higher temperatures to show that the behavior above Tc ~ 400K is significantly different. E.g. a temperature dependence of the resistance would have been mandatory.

    In general, the paper is very poorly written. The data are not adequately discussed, the explanations are poor, and the papers cited are rather, shall we say, meager. This does not inspire confidence in what the authors have measured and want to have seen there.

    My personal guess is that the authors measured an insulator, accordingly no current flowed, and thus no voltage occurred (4-point measurement). Then it looks like a superconductor. But if you then turn up the current (i.e. the applied voltage), there may be breakdowns and a current starts to flow. This would explain the sudden increase."

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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Why did those early experimenters report positive reports? Did they inadvertently do something wrong themselves that looked like cold fusion?

> Did they inadvertently do something wrong themselves that looked like cold fusion? Yes, probably This blog talks about some of the many pitfalls that could mislead researchers: https://coldfusionblog.net/2019/03/13/the-case-against-cold-... Some of the errors are very subtle. It’s not surprising that mistakes were made

It was a great blog, it was a lot of fun when I found it.

The summary was basically that, designing a reliable calorimetry equipment and experiment suitable for use in Fleischmann-like experiments is just uniquely challenging, it remained an unsolved problem even decades after the initial fiasco. The whole experiment setup is inherently error-prone. I found it was pretty interesting.

One researcher P.J. King who recently attempted a replication [1] commented online [2] that:

> We observed the claimed heat effect, both in magnitude and duration, in our parallel __control__ cells. This indicates a calibration error in the apparatus. One little known fact about these electro-chemical cell experiments is that they are run for a week or more before the effect is observed. Typically, calibration is conducted over a few hours and is done both before an experimental run and intermittently during it, to re-check thermal stability.

> We submit that this approach to calibration is inadequate for establishing a calorimeter’s propensity for heat artifacts. Stability over time periods longer than the experiment should be demonstrated in order to minimize the possibility of misinterpreting the fluctuations that we observed as “excess heat” events.

> Consequently, we contend that all claims of anomalous heat in LENR experiments using electro-chemical cells that do not exhibit thermal stability on a time period longer than the time duration of the experiment itself must be thrown out. As the majority of research over the past 30 years has not demonstrated this kind of calibration stability, that eliminates most of the effort in this field. You can read more about our work on the ReResearch LLC website.

> That is not to say that we know everything about hot fusion in the solid state or how quantum mechanical interactions might impact fusion reactivity. There is much still to be discovered. But these electro-chemical LENR heat experiments are noise, not signal.

[1] Guffey, Mason J., Yang Tang, and P.J. King. 2016. “Attempted Replication of Excess Heat in the Letts Dual-Laser Experiment.” Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science 20 (1): 1–28.

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzcYQVrTxQ&lc=UgzFM3zS0QyP5...

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The redditors response seem to be generic, where is the counter evidence, and proof of their authority?

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Agreed on reddit being terrible. What is "strong alpha" though?

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The moment they push the sample and it "turns and snaps" into the magnet in this video:

https://sciencecast.org/casts/suc384jly50n

makes it look like a diamagnetically levitating piece of graphite moving over multiple magnets in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-tW8_SRW3g

Why am I wrong? I want to believe!

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"Active area of research" is quite different to "we don't know how they work". We know how they work. We might not have fully characterised the stability conditions , but that's not the same thing.

Cmon, man

You can write out the equations of motion for a bicycle that will very accurately predict the dynamics. You can put these equations into a numerical simulation and predict motion very accurately. You can change the parameters of the model and do simulations with high confidence. Just because there isn't some neat little equation that says exactly what each parameter change is going to do (without doing the simulation) doesn't mean that we don't understand bicycle physics. It's a silly line of reasoning. Those articles are hyperbolic.

Re: Superconductor news: What’s claimed, and how strong the evidence seems to be

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One interesting thing I saw pointed out on twitter: both of the published papers have "Lee" and "JH Kim" as the first two authors (LK-99 material namesake). The first paper was published by YW Kwon with himself as the third author. The second paper was published a few hours later by Hyun-Tak Kim with himself as the third author. As others have pointed out there can only be 3 names on the ticket for a nobel prize. To…

The K-Drama I'd like to follow :)

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So what kinds of cool stuff could be built with a room temperature superconductor? Better levitating trains?

From the article, "Who knows what could come out of that? Robust high-current-density room-temperature superconductors are right out of science fiction (SF readers will recall that one such material was a big plot point in Larry Niven’s Ringworld). Electrical generation and transmission, antennas, power storage, magnet applications (including things like fusion power plants), electric motors and basically everything…

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We 100% know why airplanes of every shape and size stay aloft, and can calculate lift/drag extremely accurately based on the geometry of the plane and the airflow, in both steady state and much worse conditions. We have great approximations for steady state that make perfect sense and simplify the situation greatly and make it more understandable without simulation, even if they gloss over some details. Where are you…

Yeah, but what about Bumblebees.

Yeah, didn't think so. ;)

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> possibly because the drop in demand for other applications made it so cheap Maybe a little bit. But I think it is more that it is a material with heavy atomic nuclei and high density, and thus effective at blocking radiation. And it is also relatively cheap.

Lead is absurdly cheap. One dollar a pound! Cheaper than much more common metals like aluminum or magnesium. So I diagnose a low demand. They used to talk about using barium cement but it just can't compete, price-wise.

It may not come as a complete surprise that the economics of metals are more complex.

Aluminium, was so expensive until the Hall/(that other guy) process was developed, that it was used for jewellery [1].

Even today it's expensive and difficult to reduce Al ore to metal, which is a supply side problem.

[1]https://www.bellandbird.com/products/aluminum-bangle

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