If, as alleged, the government has been running a many decade disinformation campaign on the UAP issue, what are the odds that everyone in this thread is a legitimate commenter? To what level would comment threads such as this be manipulated in different ways in order to maintain/push the narrative the government wants? How do you even attempt to have conversations about something like this when such a powerful adversary could be secretly working against you, poisoning the conversation?
Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
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#372> I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access that’s bullshit, but i’ll believe it.
Stuff like this always hits the news when really bad shit is either going down or about to go down as a distraction.
No it doesn’t. I don’t know, or particularly care, either way but this statement is something insufferable people throw around to seem smarter than everyone else. Military people don’t testify before congress about UFOs “everytime something big is about to happen” and people aren’t as stupid as you think that they can only care about one issue at once.
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#373So just to give everyone here a bit of context. This hearing was not for the UFO Believers to be used as official disclosure. This was not to convince any skeptics out there this is real. This is a political tool for the congressional oversight committee (who themselves may not have any evidence) to put into record what they need to follow up on using their power of the purse and oversight rights. Is this an issue of…
Money is moving without the politics of Washington being involved, favors are being "gifted" to orgs for access to novel tech. If that can't get power brokers in Washington to force some change, nothing will.
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#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pilots, both commercial and military, are constantly under scrutiny to maintain a healthy mental state for fear of their license being revoked. You can not be mentally unstable and be a pilot. For years it was generally well accepted that people who believed in UFOs are crazy, so pilots have kept this to themselves for fear of retribution. Go ask any pilot how they would feel reporting something moving in unexplainab…
That's why I said evidence. I'm not expecting them to tell tales of UFO sightings. Having a video of something does not reflect on your mental state (unless you faked it). This issue also doesn't apply to passengers and there's lots of people in the sky who don't have a pilot's licence to protect.
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#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most planes aren’t equipped with any camera systems. The videos commercial pilots and passengers use are their phones which have trouble focusing on objects half a mile away (which is very close for an aircraft to be next to another one but very far for your phone to focus on). Military pilots do have camera systems like the ATFLIR pods on F-18s but the pentagon only declassifies those videos when it’s useful - like…
Blurry photos do not stop people from posting them in many other cases. Planes do not have to be equipped as such: there's so many people flying with GoPro-s and similar recording all the time that we'd get something popping up all the time. And that's even if we ignore the claim that people repeatedly see something. If I was a pilot and spotted something weird more than once, I'd make sure I record every flight from…
Well, here’s some of the most interesting videos I’ve seen taken by people.
* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13dmaif/black_triangl...
* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12kaed7/2010_ufo_that...
* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t4smpl/flyby_uap_foot...
I’ve done some basic research and can attest none of these are at least CGI made. Some of these predate photoshop. The issue with all of these videos are they are hard to prove definitively without corroborating sensor data. But they are interesting none the less.
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#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they aren’t bringing evidence, it’s a waste of people’s time. Taking a big risk that is most likely a very bad decision shouldn’t provide any credibility at all. Do that when you can show evidence, and then you have credibility.
Grusch gave program names, people involved, and locations of these special access programs purported to be reverse engineering non human technology to the ICIG and both intelligence committees in congress. Call your congressman and ask if he is credible.
>...ask if he is credible
It would not matter if the most credible source alive said it, I would still ask this question: if what they are saying is true, then it's possible to prove it without needing to take what they or anyone else says on faith alone. If you remove what he or people in general from the question, to date I have not found the evidence in support of extraterrestrial visitation of earth very convincing. Plenty of plane-recorded footage capturing strange visuals, but an absolute lack of anything that does not also have a plausible non-alien explanation.
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#377I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months.
Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them.
Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve dug deep into the rabbit hole.
It appears that the vast majority of those in “ufology” are in it for the money. Many claims about extraterrestrials also veer off into the supernatural. Conspiracy theories have a funny attraction to one another, creating clumps of exuberant irrationality.
But the recent case of David Grusch and the rebranding of UFOs as UAPs and aliens as NHI (non human intelligence), are a sign that clear (but skeptical) thinking is growing on this topic.
Grusch isnt (yet) making money off this. He appears entirely trustworthy in a way that is off-color for this topic. Assuming he isn’t a world class con playing the long-game, his credibility suggests three possibilities:
1. He has bad data, by accident or incompetence 2. He has bad data, by purposeful deceit 3. He has good data.
The cool thing about Grusch is he doesn’t claim to have first-hand knowledge. He claims to have the names of people who do, and the locations associated with the “crash-retrieval” program.
What’s more likely, that there is no other intelligent life in the galaxy, or that an advanced civilization that has been around for eons isn’t all that interested in engaging with the local wildlife? The most credible UAP reports don’t involve the fantastic stories of abduction, crop-circles, ancient pyramids, etc. The credible reports have what appear to be reconnaissance craft with a strong interest in the military and nuclear weapons.
In short, it’s worth supporting Grusch and having his names and places checked out. The answer to Fermi’s paradox is an important one for humanity — as central as whether the sub revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun.
At the very least, we should be curious skeptics.
As the head of the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), Sean Kirkpatrick, said recently, “wouldn’t that be fun?” if we discovered evidence we were not alone.
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#378Someone is or someones are launching a book, public speaking, vlog, and Netflix series to get some of that sweet Discovery Ancient Aliens' cash.
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
Government agencies have hidden pretty astounding things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
Those are all rather mundane things. Compared to intelligent life flying around in Earth, which, would presumably fly around many countries, not just the US, would require a coordinated, worldwide many year effort to keep secret. Not even a little bit the same ballpark.
Why do you think that the effort required would be significant? All they have to do is paint anyone claiming to have experienced it as a delusional crank and relegate those beliefs to the fringe. Even people like Michael Burry who had some level of insight into the GFC before it happened is these days often written off as a crank or is the subject of cliches like "even a broken clock is right twice a day". I don't think keeping it a secret is as important as keeping the idea in the domain of fantasy.
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#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
Grusch gave program names, people involved, and locations of these special access programs purported to be reverse engineering non human technology to the ICIG and both intelligence committees in congress. Call your congressman and ask if he is credible.
>...ask if he is credible It would not matter if the most credible source alive said it, I would still ask this question: if what they are saying is true, then it's possible to prove it without needing to take what they or anyone else says on faith alone. If you remove what he or people in general from the question, to date I have not found the evidence in support of extraterrestrial visitation of earth very convinci…
You're right to be skeptical of his claims. At the very least, you should support Congress investigating this issue. Because either there are some crazy people with access to the most sensitive state secrets we own, or they are telling the truth and there's been a major coverup for the last 90 years hiding non-human intelligence visiting this planet from elsewhere, and there's technology far beyond what we have created.