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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by viraptor »

likeabbas wrote: post #276
viraptor wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd agree on some pilots, and sure they should post more unexplained things for analysis. But given how many people are eagerly into bigfoot or cryptids, it's not like every pilot with some kind of evidence would feel unsafe sharing it.

Pilots, both commercial and military, are constantly under scrutiny to maintain a healthy mental state for fear of their license being revoked. You can not be mentally unstable and be a pilot. For years it was generally well accepted that people who believed in UFOs are crazy, so pilots have kept this to themselves for fear of retribution. Go ask any pilot how they would feel reporting something moving in unexplainab…

That's why I said evidence. I'm not expecting them to tell tales of UFO sightings. Having a video of something does not reflect on your mental state (unless you faked it). This issue also doesn't apply to passengers and there's lots of people in the sky who don't have a pilot's licence to protect.

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Post by mmcwilliams »

likeabbas wrote: post #263
mmcwilliams wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does someone being a credentialed US intelligence official make their public statements more or less trustworthy than the average person?

Certainly to me, especially given he’s testified under oath to multiple congressional committees and the ICIG. He’s made some outrageous accusations that absolutely need to be investigated. Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.

I understand the context, but what I'm asking is; do US intelligence officers make completely truthful statements as a public as a practice? Or is their expertise rather in acquiring, analyzing and compartmentalizing information.

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Post by mmcwilliams »

likeabbas wrote: post #272
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #269

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Neither in my experience - hence you should take my position with salt and do your own research

How many times have you or any other intelligence official you know lied under oath to the ICIG or congress?

Former CIA Director Leon Panetta seems to believe that his agency has done it several times[0].

[0] http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/cia.congress/

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Post by hindsightbias »

likeabbas wrote: post #252
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. This is way more common than you think it is and again, not special. I prepped multiple PDBs from 2012-2015 while at DIA and then again while on the JS/J2 staff. Delivering a segment of the…

What was your rank? How many SAPs were you read into? Having Top Secret SCI clearance does not give you immediate access to every SAP you request to be read into. Most people are not read into more that a dozen SAPs. I’ll also point out that if Grusch was an unexceptional IC officer, the pentagon would easily be able to discredit him as such. To date, the pentagon has not attempted to say anything about Grusch’s cred…

> Most people are not read into more that a dozen SAPs.

What’s your rank? How many did you have access to? Citations please.

> Many reporters

Given the fundamental disregard HN has towards the MSM, this would be an appeal to authority.

When I was a sophmore the CIA recruiter said he knew coops who had done pdbs. I guess he was disreputable.

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Post by mikeyouse »

beaned wrote: post #294
mikeyouse wrote: post #292

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If you wanted the latter, you wouldn't repeatedly go on national TV claiming a giant conspiracy and then testify in front of congress.. In any case, I'm not "demanding" that he do something that could result in jail time but rather pointing out that based on his own telling of his own story, he should be happy to do so. That he's not is strongly indicative that he's full of shit.

So far he's abiding by the law and not going to jail. What is in "his own telling of his own story" that suggests he should be happy to go to jail? It seems like he's trying hard not to.

"Call me a Boy Scout or whatever. It’s just when I saw the kind of wrongdoing I did … I don’t want to be 60 or 70 years old in the future and have that, you know, “could have, should have, would have” kind of feeling where I could have made a difference,” he said. “I did not want to live a life of regret."

This is all so dumb - the fact that there's more incredulousness to room temperature superconductors than this nonsense is a real shame. Listen to this tripe:

“It is a well-established fact, at least mathematically and based on empirical observation and analysis, that there most likely are physical, additional spatial dimensions,” he said. “And you can imagine, four and five-dimensional space where what we experience is linear time, ends up being a physical dimension in higher dimensional space where you were living there. You could translate across what we perceive as a linear flow. So there is a possibility that this is a theory here. I’m not saying this is 100% the case but it could be that this is not necessarily extraterrestrial, and it’s actually coming from a higher dimensional physical space that might be co-located right here.”

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Post by likeabbas »

mmcwilliams wrote: post #312
likeabbas wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly to me, especially given he’s testified under oath to multiple congressional committees and the ICIG. He’s made some outrageous accusations that absolutely need to be investigated. Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.

I understand the context, but what I'm asking is; do US intelligence officers make completely truthful statements as a public as a practice? Or is their expertise rather in acquiring, analyzing and compartmentalizing information.

> do US intelligence officers make completely truthful statements as a public as a practice?

No. Intel (especially counter intel) officers are, trained to give information to convince someone of a certain context. Whether that information is true depends on the situation.

But it’s certainly not common for anyone to lie under oath, especially when they are testifying that specific people and corporations are involved in illegal operations. He’s opened himself up to not only perjury, but also lawsuits of false accusations. I don’t think the billion dollar defense contractors would have any trouble suing David Grusch if he’s lying.

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Post by krapp »

realo wrote: post #216

One thing I find amazing is the diversity of UAP vehicles. It used to be saucers, then silvery orbs, tic tac pills, triangles with bright lights , and now during the hearing we learn about dark cubes in translucent spheres! I mean... how many different alien races exactly are playing tourists over here?

The dark cubes in translucent spheres were probably just radar deflectors[0].

[0]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-th...

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Post by likeabbas »

mmcwilliams wrote: post #313
likeabbas wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many times have you or any other intelligence official you know lied under oath to the ICIG or congress?

Former CIA Director Leon Panetta seems to believe that his agency has done it several times[0]. [0] http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/cia.congress/

Grusch has made the allegations that specific people and defense contractors are involved in illegal operations and are illegally withholding information from congress. So if you don’t think he will be tried for perjury as that article might claim, he can certainly be sued for false accusations. These are heavy allegations that go beyond just the standard lie
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