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Post by mcoler »

cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

We ran into the same thing with our new recruiting tool, discovered hundreds of fake applicants for the first remote engineering job we posted. We initially noticed that a large number of job applicants were using ChatGPT responses with our virtual recruiter, and showing drastically different scoring from non-fake candidates.

We started scheduling video chats with the candidates clearly using ChatGPT with our virtual recruiter, and they all got on the call and began reading scripts, and could not answer more unique phone screen questions like: What engineering principle is important to you?

It’s the most frustrating thing, taking up so much of our time and taking time away from strong engineers who deserve our time.

I heard a good podcast about this, https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/133/

We’re testing a solution for this to keep our own product operating fast and delivering amazing candidates.

We’re also keeping a list of red flags:

- LinkedIn profile was created in the last year

- GitHub link has a generic identity, 0-2 followers, very little activity

- Candidate will say yes to a phone screen immediately, literally right now

- Or candidate will ask if the meeting is a technical screen

- Candidate will go quiet if you ask them if they are available to fly to HQ to meet the team for their final interview

- Job history includes large, non-tech enterprises where employment would be hard to confirm; think CVS, The Home Depot, Best Buy, etc

- LinkedIn About Statement is written in the third person

- LinkedIn profile uses generic language like “cutting edge technologies”

- Profile photos may be avatars, or look like stock photos

None of these things individually can indicate a fake applicant, but taken all together with language used with our virtual recruiter we’ve gotten good at identifying the fakes. We’re still doing a lot of tests to prevent discrimination on our part.

If anyone wants to chat, my CoFounder and I have become obsessed with solving this.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by cj »

mcoler wrote: post #431
cj wrote: post #152

Side note to the remote founders/employers out there: Have you been plagued by applicant fraud? We've found for all of our remote engineering roles, we get 100's of amazing applicants who are all fake (clearly not actually in the US) once you get them on a screening call. They're often reading from a script, broken english, and say strange things like they're born and raised in Texas, yet can't speak fluent English o…

We ran into the same thing with our new recruiting tool, discovered hundreds of fake applicants for the first remote engineering job we posted. We initially noticed that a large number of job applicants were using ChatGPT responses with our virtual recruiter, and showing drastically different scoring from non-fake candidates. We started scheduling video chats with the candidates clearly using ChatGPT with our virtual…

I tried sending an email to the address in your profile but it bounced. Send me an email at the address in my profile I have something to share.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Post by cudgy »

polski-g wrote: post #425
cudgy wrote: post #420

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You need to win a judgement in civil court first and try to collect on it before you can attach a lien to someone’s house in almost any jurisdiction in the US.

Correct? That shouldn't be too hard.

Not hard? Not easy to prove fraud. Is it fraud to have multiple jobs? Did your employment contract specifically restrict moonlighting? Is it even legal to restrict moonlighting in that state? Plus, even if all the moons align and you go through all that effort and money and possibly win. They declare bankruptcy and protect their homestead from your claim. You lose even more money and most importantly your time. Far from easy.

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Post by sawirricardo »

some_random wrote: post #312
baristaGeek wrote: post #296

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Don't work with sanctioned countries. It's common sense.

Turns out you're not the first person to think of this, and as a result they operate out of other countries (ie China or Indonesia). https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/north-korean-...

curious, so if you see some devs from those countries applying for your jobs, are you relating them to the news and automatically rejects them based on those countires?

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Post by jonasdegendt »

rjbwork wrote: post #380
solarmist wrote: post #359

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Does the location it's posted really affect that significantly? Isn't it similar to any job board?

Not quite sure quite what you're asking. But I think, yes it affects it, we can't hire people outside of the US and given we got no candidates we could feasibly employ, it doesn't make sense to continue posting.

He’s suggesting that when posting the same job listing in places such as LinkedIn, you still get the same people from SEA applying anyway.

The few times I’ve had LinkedIn Premium and had a look at where other applicants were from, I’d notice the majority was from SEA or Africa, even though the posting clearly required EU residency/work permit.

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Post by sam0x17 »

okaram wrote: post #319
sam0x17 wrote: post #279

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> they don't care about anything other than keeping those paychecks coming for a while Don't forget this is all employment really is. Any employee-employer relationship boils down to this regardless of what you have deluded yourself into believing.

That is ... wrong, or at least very reductionist. Yes, I do my work for money, and would not do it if they don't pay me, but it's definitely not just money. I like my team, have personal friends among them, and find pleasure and realization in doing a good job.

But not enough that if they stopped paying you you would keep working, presumably

Everything beyond the core financial relationship is just mythology and propaganda employers have beaten into you since birth to make you a good serf

Similarly those "friends" will throw you to the wayside when their own employment is threatened. Been there, done that.

Employers pretend their employees aren't replaceable cogs, but that's exactly how they see them.

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Post by roguas »

AlexITC wrote: post #356
sigstoat wrote: post #315

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i did some contracting for a place that i think hired one of these guys. in his case i think he more or less knew what he was doing, and showed up on calls, but delegated the work to some other people. we’d hear people in the background of his audio discussing things really oddly similar to tasks he’d been assigned and had outstanding. he was putting in (bad) PRs at all hours of day and night, and never had any recol…

That's a reason to keep doing it, 6 months of income is a considerable amount.

At the same time it makes it shitty for regular folks working remote and like a normal person having bad periods from time to time. There will be way less understanding towards... You are trying to do the right thing, but the dial if turned too tight might blend wrong people.

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Post by baristaGeek »

some_random wrote: post #312
baristaGeek wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't work with sanctioned countries. It's common sense.

Turns out you're not the first person to think of this, and as a result they operate out of other countries (ie China or Indonesia). https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/north-korean-...

Work with one of the 20 countries that the USA has a FTA with. From what I understand (I'm not a lawyer), these agreements have a chapter dedicated to cross border trade in services which includes dispute resolution.

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Post by roguas »

warning26 wrote: post #282
ryanSrich wrote: post #160

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> The number of people who actually like going to the office (either part or full time) is far higher than you'd expect from reading Reddit and Hacker News. I think most people like an office setting. Even remote work proponents like myself enjoy the office every now and then. The problem is really two things. 1.) The commute is brutal. If you live in any decent sized city and have a family, it's likely that you are…

> 1.) The commute is brutal. If you live in any decent sized city and have a family, it's likely that you are far enough away from the office that you have to drive 30+ minutes in pretty horrendous traffic. This is fundamentally a problem with urban design, not with in-office work.

Not really. Any large city has this problems, even cities that excel in public transport like Tokyo. The commute might still be upwards of 40-50 minutes unless you live near tech hub of the city which typically is super expensive and also risky as often there are several hubs in one large cities and now you have to move places to regain comfort.

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Post by roncesvalles »

bendauphinee wrote: post #304
moomoo11 wrote: post #302

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Is it allowed to put “must be US citizen”. Honestly as an American I would much prefer to hire Americans from Midwest or Texas, than someone outside my country.

Y'all always forget Canada exists :) I worked with a US company in Houston for 11 years, and we had other people located outside the US on the dev teams as well. Cultural match is more important than strict geo imho.

Bit of a tangent but Canadians should be ticking "Yes" for "are you authorized to work in the US?" because acquiring TN status does not require sponsorship from the employer; the TN is explicitly non-immigrant intent. If a company prefers to hire an American over a Canadian, that's discrimination on the basis of citizenship, which is illegal.
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