Anyone have recommendations for what will kill goat heads that isn't glyphosate? I'd love to use something less awful, but so far the goat heads seem unaffected by anything else I've tried.
Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees
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Re: Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees
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Mainly Roundup residues on GMO foods, as well as farm runoff in groundwater. EPA estimates we're all exposed to 0.058–0.230 mg/kg/day and they set the maximum acceptable daily dose at 1.75 mg/kg/day. But the available dosage science is weak.
Why mainly through GMO foods? I am wondering if other non-GMO ones would use mostly non Roundups, which would be a surprise to me given the availability of Roundups for vegetation control purpose around houses.
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Almost everything is neurotoxic depending on the dose. Sodium Chloride(Table Salt) will reek havoc on your brain and nervous systems if the concentration gets to high. Why you get muscle cramps and dizzy when dehydrated. Luckily the study addresses this and says that you have heavily dose rats to get a neurotoxic effect but humans will never see this dose under environmental exposure. > Most of studies of rodents ana…
The main point of that section you're quoting is that NOAEL has been set way too high and they didn't account for neurotoxicity. We need more studies. We don't really know at what levels neurotoxicity becomes a problem in human. > the data discussed herein suggest that these values may still be too high. The results analyzed in this review suggest that the ability of glyphosate, alone or in formulation, to produce ne…
Just to be clear when they talk about NOAEL amount. Its a lot of glyphosate. NOAEL for a human person is drinking two bottles of roundup. The other ingredients(surfactants) would do you in before the glyphosate. Amount humans are exposed to very minimal as mentioned in the study. Don't drink roundup.
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#44Anyone have recommendations for what will kill goat heads that isn't glyphosate? I'd love to use something less awful, but so far the goat heads seem unaffected by anything else I've tried.
Pulling them up by their roots. How much acreage are we talking?
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It's easy in America. As soon as your industry becomes big enough you can afford to petition (lobby) the government to write regulations that favor your busines in your industry. Fortunately any American can petition their government. Collectively we could hire our own lobbyist to write better laws (and regulations).
lobbyists aren't supposed to write laws, but the reality is they probably do. Politics are pay-to-play. We do have organizations that started as citizens coming together to try to influence government, but unless you have a lot of money to throw around, your public interest research group is almost impossible to hear. Who do you think has outized influence- a group of citizens proposing common-sense reforms, or indus…
I mean, take ALEC for instance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...
Laws written by corporations.
Also, anybody who doesn’t think corporations buy legislators is being very naive.
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>> An average of almost 130 pounds of glyphosate herbicides were sprayed per square mile in U.S. counties. Is this the weight of pure glyphosate, or it includes the solvents like water? Wikipedia says that the density of glyphosate is 1.7 but they have no units. Let's assume it's g/cm^3 (the density of water is 1g/cm^3, so it's a good guess.) From https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=130pounds+%2F+%281.7g%2... this i…
Only 17% of the US landmass is used for agriculture, so averaging it out like this doesn’t make much sense.
Re: Study shows glyphosate impairs learning in bumblebees
#47Silent Spring by Rachel Carson should be mandatory reading…
Banning DDT wasn't super-great for human health.
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#48I don't know why it is taking so long to distribute the facts... In Argentina, one of the top agricultural exporters in the last decades cancer increased a lot in farms using glyphosate. A recent review here [1]
[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221339842...
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#49I don't know why it is taking so long to distribute the facts... In Argentina, one of the top agricultural exporters in the last decades cancer increased a lot in farms using glyphosate. A recent review here [1] [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221339842...
The glyphosate/cancer link is one of the most intensively studied in science, and has yet to pan out. One problem with trying to find such a link from real-world formulations is that you're apt to find links in adjuvants.
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The main point of that section you're quoting is that NOAEL has been set way too high and they didn't account for neurotoxicity. We need more studies. We don't really know at what levels neurotoxicity becomes a problem in human. > the data discussed herein suggest that these values may still be too high. The results analyzed in this review suggest that the ability of glyphosate, alone or in formulation, to produce ne…
Just to be clear when they talk about NOAEL amount. Its a lot of glyphosate. NOAEL for a human person is drinking two bottles of roundup. The other ingredients(surfactants) would do you in before the glyphosate. Amount humans are exposed to very minimal as mentioned in the study. Don't drink roundup.
We don't know if the amounts humans are exposed to are very minimal.