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Boeing has now lost $1.1B on Starliner, with no crew flight in sight

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Re: Boeing has now lost $1.1B on Starliner, with no crew flight in sight

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Post by tenpies »

grecy wrote: post #127
bigbillheck wrote: post #116

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Elon also said the Falcon 9 would work, said it would be re-usable, said the Falcon 9 heavy would work, said the Model S would be good, said the Model 3 would be great, said the Model Y would be the most popular car in the world, etc. etc. Obviously he's not hitting 100%, but you can't deny his companies are achieving immensely more than anyone ever thought possible. If I could take Elon's ratio of "I said it would w…

> If I could take Elon's ratio of "I said it would work vs. it's real and it does", I would, and so would any sane person.

I want to be optimistic too, but you're missing Falcon 9s worth of broken Elon promises.

This isn't an exhaustive list, but certainly a more complete: https://elonmusk.today I recommend starting from the bottom.

I'll just say that if he were a baseball player, he would be a pretty bad one. The odds that an Elon prediction pans out are fairly bad. If a bookie were available, you'd want to take the under on every single one.

Re: Boeing has now lost $1.1B on Starliner, with no crew flight in sight

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Post by wkat4242 »

panick21_ wrote: post #90
dotnet00 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They still can use cutting off the ISS as a bargaining chip since half the station is Russian and handles orbit raising. They actually did do that a lot early into the war, until Rogozin was replaced as head of Roscosmos by someone who took a slightly less bombastic approach of saying that Russia would quit the ISS once they have a successor station up later this decade. What gets in the way is that the US has severa…

NASA replacement stations are totally underfunded by congress, non are close. Don't expect a solution from that anyime soon.

They should at the very least partner with ESA which also built some ISS modules.

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bigbillheck wrote: post #116

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Please don't post this sort of unsubstantive comment to HN, and please avoid the flamewar style generally when posting here.

You may not owe Elons better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36882951.

Re: Boeing has now lost $1.1B on Starliner, with no crew flight in sight

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b59831 wrote: post #133
bigbillheck wrote: post #116

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Why is your hate boner relevant here? It's fine if you want to be irrational but why shout it out?

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines.

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MrOwnPut wrote: post #119
bigbillheck wrote: post #116

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Since we just asked you to stop posting like this and you've continued to do it, I've banned the account.

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Post by throwawaymaths »

jackmott42 wrote: post #138
mandeepj wrote: post #132

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> They were paid 2x more than what NASA paid SpaceX. It's worth a case study - why didn't they try to pay Gwynne Shotwell 10x more + CEO role + (M\B)illions worth of stocks? Even if they did, why didn't she accept? She would certainly have turned their fortunes around.

Hasn't Gwen's main role at SpaceX been sales? Is she also the main force behind spaceX executing at engineering?

Operating officer, iirc. So not necessarily engineering but herding cats, still impressive.

Re: Boeing has now lost $1.1B on Starliner, with no crew flight in sight

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Post by Already__Taken »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #84
areoform wrote: post #8

This comment is your regularly scheduled reminder that they were supposed to be the safe option. The people who'd come in clutch when SpaceX failed (and it was assumed in certain quarters that SpaceX would fail to deliver on time). They were paid 2x more than what NASA paid SpaceX. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/nasa-will-pay-boeing... RIP Boeing.

I agree with this, it is pretty stunning. Also ULA's inability to come up with a launch capability that is anywhere close to Falcon/Falcon Heavy in terms of cost and time to flight. The fascinating thing is that the lack of competition allowed the space launch industry to switch from "invent" mode to "monetize" mode way too early. It is also what makes the Starship work both more credible and more interesting. There…

It's analogous to gigabit internet in the 90's. Why would anyone want that and what would you even do.
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