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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by srvmshr »

mritchie712 wrote: post #83
Eji1700 wrote: post #67

This whole thing is just making me have less and less faith in society. There's no fucking way this is remotely true, but everywhere I look, not matter the community, there's so much "what if" nonsense that reeks of the same ignorance those people screamed about when that was the argument for COVID conspiracies. The energy required to travel through space is obscene. The difficulty of traveling through space is obsce…

I agree this is unlikely to be true, but I keep in mind what we know now and what we knew 1 million years ago. The energy to run a PC would seem obscene to people even thousands of years ago (let alone what a PC is and what it can do). Pull someone from earlier in this timeline and see what they think of airplanes. 2.6 million years ago: Stone tools 1.7 million years ago: Controlled fire 5,000 - 3,000 BC: Writing 3,0…

You provided an timeline of human evolution, but has fundamental physics changed at the core?

Unfortunately, we haven't found any drop-in replacement to Newton's first & second laws for e.g.; Conversely, more & more of physics is condensing towards established standard models proving that our model of universe is more definite. In the quantum space our research is mostly finding new interactions, not fundamental particles everyday. Energy & it transformations are the biggest truths eventually. To propel crafts capable of interstellar voyage, immense energy burst is needed for propulsion. We have seen no evidence of the kind of physics which will break relativistic models - and no material which can sustain the thermals in the process.

At the core of it, our chances to find another habitable world & intelligent species wherever they might be is rapidly reducing. Universe is expanding faster than previous estimated and probably double as old if you consider recent research. Our window of opportunity to establish contact passed probably before we came into existence.

It is like predicting we'll be able to detect God by advances one day. That supernatural being could exist - but most scientific evidence points to a hard no, given we already know it is a mental / emotional construction.

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

kouru225 wrote: post #165
MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

Huh? You’re telling me you think they can travel light years to get here but don’t have the tech to land without us detecting them? That’s an assumption.

Assuming FTL is off the table, anything sent here will have been designed and launched with no evidence the subject planet has radars or air combat hardware. One should expect probes to have no air combat capability, and may not even bother to dodge a missile, even if they (incidentally) have very good aerodynamic performance.

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Post by BobbyJo »

nvy wrote: post #185
BobbyJo wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These systems are commonly air-gapped. Unless he physically went around to the various SCIFs, where the information would be, it doesn't matter what kind of access he had.

>These systems are commonly air-gapped Do you have direct experience? Because this is contradictory to my own experience. When I was in the Air Force we had access to various classified networks at levels up to and including TS. You often needed to be in a SCIF and/or have TEMPEST-rated equipment to log in, depending on the context, but the systems are networked nonetheless.

I worked in a SCIF for a short time for a defense contractor. It was a while ago, and I'm fuzzy about what I can and cannot say about how things worked in there, so I'd rather not say anything specific.

What I can say is that it's trivial to keep things you don't want leaving a SCIF in the SCIF.

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Post by mrguyorama »

montagg wrote: post #124
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #118

Snowden spent quite a bit of time looking for UFO stuff since he had access to almost everything classified and never found any evidence. I’m not saying this whistleblower is definitely lying, but if anyone was capable and willing to bring this forward with receipts, Snowden would’ve done so.

Trump would have done so. It would have been impossible for him to keep a secret. His need to stroke his own ego wouldn’t allow it. When Trump ended his term without once mentioning aliens, that’s when I was certain all of this was hogwash. Are there maybe very advanced aircraft out there we should be aware of? Certainly. But it’s definitely not aliens without hard af evidence.

He explicitly voiced an intent to open up JFK and UFO conspiracy stuff as president, though his word has basically negative value.

We should ask saudi arabia, they probably bought it from him if it exists. Elon has the connections to do that.

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Post by caladin »

ozten wrote: post #179

The simplest explanation I've come up with is that the politicians like Marco Rubio and Matt Gaetz are servicing the UFO conspiracy segment of their demographics by supporting and encouraging David Grusch to be a UAP whistleblower. Grusch's extraordinary claims that the US has forced a global secrecy around the race to recover working and crashed non-human vehicles since 1930, that biological materials (aliens) and v…

This comment (inadvertently?) by mentioning those names gives off the impression that this is a partisan push. It is not.

This is an explicitly bipartisan effort. Most recently:

- Kirsten Gillibrand (Senator D-NY) most recently secured funding for UAP Office, and for years now has been writing legislation on the topic which has been passed: https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibr...

- Chuck Schumer (Senator D-NY) in the past few days pushed an amendment for UAP disclosure, with language including things like eminent domain over any recovered UAP craft. It is unlikely this would've been pushed without consulting the white house. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment... See also: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/13/us/politics/ufo-records-s...

    Choice excerpt from Section 10a:

    "The Federal Government shall exercise eminent domain over any and all recovered technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence of non-human intelligence that may be controlled by private persons or entities in the interests of the public good"

    This is from Chuck Schumer, someone that hasn't been adjacent to this topic until now, out of nowhere.
- The late Harry Reid (Senator D-NV) was a huge proponent of pushing for more information on this topic, initiating the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) which was the precursor to a lot of these developments. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid#UFOs

- Jared Moskowitz (Representative D-FL) was one of the three representatives pushing for this hearing

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

froggychairs wrote: post #147
MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

Why would aliens have to destroy? When I go out for a hike in the woods or a hike in a new state/country that isn’t my home. I don’t go out destroying the land around me. I observe and enjoy my time Maybe these aliens are scientists. Documenting biological life across the galaxy. Maybe they’re VanCampers. Just bouncing from planet to planet for fun If a civilization has presumably reached FTL travel. I imagine many o…

> Maybe these aliens are scientists.

Their opsec's way too good for scientists. If they're anything like our scientists, we'd have recovered one of the flying saucers when they tried to go through Arby's drive-through but didn't have enough clearance.

Maybe they're just fictional, and this guy has a Fox Mulder larping fetish.

> If a civilization has presumably reached FTL travel. I imagine many of their needs have been met and conquest/destruction isn’t required to maintain their supremacy.

If we ever achieve FTL travel, do you imagine that it will be available to frat bros doing road trips to Beta Reticuli VI, or will it be this horrendously expensive, economy-wrecking thing that we get to do once or twice and then have to stop because it is almost impossible to do?

We achieved a moon landing for fuck's sake, and the frat bro still hasn't duplicated that one yet (though I will concede he's not doing too shabby).

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Post by LapsangGuzzler »

9dev wrote: post #181
jdwithit wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point. Remember the time he revealed highly classified spy satellite capabilities by posting an extremely detailed photo of an Iranian nuclear site ON TWITTER [0]? He cannot help himself if there's a chance to show off. Although, the nice thing about conspiracy theories is you can always just layer on another explanation. Obviously the Deep State didn't trust Trump with this dangerous knowledge, so the…

I’d usually side with you and Hanlon‘s razor, but in this case… not trusting Trump with anything sharper than a children’s toy knife sounds pretty reasonable, no? Is it really so far-fetched some agencies would do everything in their power to keep a low profile and The Menace out of their business?

But why keep UFO intel away from him while letting him have highly-sensitive military intel that he could parley or leak? That’s the other part of this conspiracy that I don’t understand.

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Post by neuronic »

nonethewiser wrote: post #175
chiefalchemist wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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China admitted it was their balloon but claimed it wasn’t the government’s, nor for surveillance. Does that mean China is just in on the conspiracy then?

If you believe Grusch, then yes, because governments around the world are racing to recover UAPs.

I don’t really believe it but it would be in line with the story.

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Post by PaulRobinson »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #194
riversflow wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Not military, but have significantly researched the U.S. secret keeping system because I’ve long been enthralled by espionage. As I understand it, any classified document can be SCI, secure compartmentalize information(I think this is used for spy stuff, barely anyone needs to be able to link a spy’s real ID to their assumed ID, the less people who know the better), or be part of an SAP, Special Access Program(w…

Right, but somebody has to maintain those IT systems, and if the government is anything like other huge, data-hoarding corporations, then they deploy sysadmins who have an incredible amount of access because they have to in order to maintain the system. IT systems do not run themselves.

Why do you need IT systems for a program that has allegedly been running covertly since a decade before Bletchley Park started building Colossus?

Let’s just presume that the people running this are recruited both for their competence and their ability to keep a secret. Would they immediately commission an IT team?

NSA needs IT. It’s essential. These programs - if they exist - are all about avoiding recording anything or communicating anything other than face to face.

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Post by neuronic »

shepardrtc wrote: post #135
Ancalagon wrote: post #116

It’s a good call out - the ability of the government to keep secrets across decades. But - tinfoil hat time - have they not demonstrated their ability to do this wrt the knowledge around nuclear weapons? Edit: and considering the claimed abilities of UAP, might those technologies be on par (in terms of military might) with the technology behind nuclear weapons? Also, that bit about a spaceship needing a biological pi…

They said nothing about a pilot. He said they found "biologics". Doesn't mean it was a pilot.

It was a machine pilot keeping a pet plant in its ship.

Only half kidding, if we meet aliens they will be machines at least to some extent. Biological life has a lot of annoying limitations and continuously circumventing them is more expensive than just becoming machines.

It’s way more likely to encounter von Neumann probes than some beer drinking alien traveling across the galaxy in compression socks and with a neck pillow.

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