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Sinead O’Connor has died

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Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by michaelsbradley »

nailer wrote: post #61
synetic wrote: post #30

I remember being outraged at her tearing up John Paul II’s picture. The media in the U.S. did a great job of hiding why she did it. I was not outraged at her when I found out her justified reasons for doing so. That was the first time I became consciously aware that news is a business and that that business thrives when it generates outrage. I no longer fall victim to this. She’s far more the saint than that bastard…

Same. As a child, I thought the Pope and the church helped poor people and practiced showing people how to be good to each other by following the ten commandments. When Sinead O Connor ripped up the picture of the Pope on SNL I remember asking why. Someone said the reason was because she was crazy. They were lying to me. Sinead O'Connor was drawing attention to child sexual abuse when nobody else was. > She’s far mor…

  Ratzinger / Benedict absolutely deliberately prevented investigation into, and facilitated (by moving rapist priests into new parishes), child sexual abuse.
No, not really at all, actually:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI#Sexual_abuse...

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by mpol »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #74

This hit me hard. The first of her songs I ever knew, and still my favorite, was "Troy" and I was just thinking of it this morning. Then an hour later someone tweeted that she had died. Probably going to be sad all day.

In the Netherlands this was her most well know song. I was teenager when Troy was a hit on the radio, the video was intriguing. It hits me too, I feel respect for her, though I sometimes had doubts about some ideas she put forward.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by wnevets »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #88
wnevets wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard not to laugh whenever people talk about "cancel culture" being a new phenomenon. The amount of hate she received for merely bringing up the horrible actions the catholic church committed was absurd.

Who is calling it a new phenomenon? The only thing new about it is the name.

Virtually everyone who complains about it. The complains are almost always about how sensitive people are today, how blazing saddles couldn't be made today or whatever non-sense they use to rage farm. Its almost always framed as a today problem.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by pmarreck »

IvyMike wrote: post #78
jawns wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you strongly agree with her criticism of the pope, the way that she expressed that criticism -- by deceiving everyone on SNL to pull off her stunt -- certainly branded her as a loose cannon in the industry. Unpredictability might entertain audiences, but it's a huge liability from an entertainment industry perspective. And arguably, her antics greatly overshadowed the message she was trying to get across. How…

Arguably her protest was the pebble that started the avalanche of investigations of the catholic church that resulted in abuses coming to light and the Pope apologizing in 2005.

I'm not disputing this, but do you have any evidence for it? (Would be nice if it were verifiably true.)

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by hprotagonist »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzxTDHMQza8

To stand in the full blast of a crowd that hates you with that amount of poise, and have a voice that is still capable of song or even coherent speech, just beggars my imagination.

i hope you have found peace. you were a voice crying out in the wilderness and we did to you what we always do to that.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by synetic »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #85
synetic wrote: post #30

I remember being outraged at her tearing up John Paul II’s picture. The media in the U.S. did a great job of hiding why she did it. I was not outraged at her when I found out her justified reasons for doing so. That was the first time I became consciously aware that news is a business and that that business thrives when it generates outrage. I no longer fall victim to this. She’s far more the saint than that bastard…

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We have different perceptions of the reality of the man. I hope, sincerely, that you find peace in Him and not him.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by CydeWeys »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #41
synetic wrote: post #30

I remember being outraged at her tearing up John Paul II’s picture. The media in the U.S. did a great job of hiding why she did it. I was not outraged at her when I found out her justified reasons for doing so. That was the first time I became consciously aware that news is a business and that that business thrives when it generates outrage. I no longer fall victim to this. She’s far more the saint than that bastard…

This was arguably one of the first "cancellations" before "cancel culture" was a thing we were talking about. Right or wrong, what she did was definitely courageous and arguably destroyed her career.

> This was arguably one of the first "cancellations" before "cancel culture" was a thing we were talking about.

Um, I think the 1,500+ year history of the Catholic church would beg to differ here ...

And even before that, Socrates was so canceled for his views he was killed by the state.

Re: Sinead O’Connor has died

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Post by osullish »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #86
osullish wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in Ireland, some high profile cases were prosecuted- but not the majority, and nothing happened the nuns - especially the evil that ran the mother and baby homes. 300+ babies discarded in a septic tank.

Do you have a link for the 300+ discarded babies? I'd like to read about that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Secours_Mother_and_Baby_...
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