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Re: UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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Post by blipvert »

mc32 wrote: post #39
blipvert wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, pity the (faux?) naive child who has been brought up on a diet of McCarthyism. You’re so scared of reds under the bed that you can’t see what the (increasingly far-)right wing are doing to you.

Communism and Fascism are solely vehicles to and end. Those who govern desire more control no matter what system gets them there. “Whatever works!”

Precisely. And if you can convince your rabid supporters that you aren’t “the other lot” they will let you do unspeakable things.

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Post by kneebonian »

stuckinhell wrote: post #43

I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE!

The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate.

You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of line. After all you know who else questions the science, climate deniers, and anti-vaxxers and Neo-Nazis and transphobes. So don't question the science it is settled, and you better no longer talk back to your betters.

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Post by kroltan »

elforce002 wrote: post #42

One question to UK fellas: is it me or the UK is becoming some sort of a surveillance state right in front of us just like china?

The West is not against surveillance, apparently, everyone wants to do it! It's been a market for a good while now. UK is just wsocialising it.

Re: UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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Post by cycomanic »

datadeft wrote: post #33
blipvert wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, pity the (faux?) naive child who has been brought up on a diet of McCarthyism. You’re so scared of reds under the bed that you can’t see what the (increasingly far-)right wing are doing to you.

Based on what? Where is extreme right wing you are talking about?

Pretty much everywhere? The tories are shifting further right. In the US the republicans have been on a path straight to totalitarism (some of their members are calling to forbid Democrats from voting when they move states), Israel, many European countries have growing far right parties who are typically just a thin layer of legitimacy on top of far right ideology (take the AFD in Germany or the FN in France who have significant contacts with Neonazi activists).

Re: UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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Post by kypro »

IshKebab wrote: post #21
mikece wrote: post #2

Aside from "the dark web," are there any efforts to create an impossible-to-censor parallel version or subset of the internet?

There's Freenet but these sorts of projects generally have issues because the biggest segments of society that want impossible-to-censor are also the worst.

Wasn't this somewhat true of VPNs say 10 years ago?

My perception back then was that people who used VPNs were generally dodgy people who wanted to illegally download things online or mask their identity while doing various other illegal things.

But in recent years geo-restrictions, ISP blacklists, and data collection have forced more and more users to use VPNs to the point where their use today is fairly common.

Obviously I'm not in favour of this legislation, but I would hope that the more the governments seek to censor content and attack encryption online the more people will use services that are un-censorable and encrypted.

Short of requiring spy-ware on all of our devices there's fundamentally very little governments can actually do to prevent this. In fact, the harder they fight the more they'll push people out of their reach.

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Post by blipvert »

Rexogamer wrote: post #50
PKop wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Right wing government would stop mass immigration and not promote leftist social values as current UK government/establishment does. Far away from right wing, certainly not nationalist in any way.

are you trying to suggest that the tories are "promoting leftist social values"? considering their mediocre at best treatment of minority groups, [citation needed] also one of their most controversial bills would lead to "illegal" immigrants being sent to Rwanda skewed American perspectives aside, I genuinely fail to see how anyone would interpret them as anything left of centre-right

> skewed American perspectives aside, I genuinely fail to see how anyone would interpret them as anything left of centre-right

And this is their prestige. At least the one-nation Tories can see through it, even though they were expelled in the 2019 putsch.

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Post by 128bytes »

kneebonian wrote: post #52
stuckinhell wrote: post #43

I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE! The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate. You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of lin…

"They described the strange feeling of peace that came over them when they handled the Book of Science, the pleasure that it was to repeat certain statistics out of it, however little meaning those statistics conveyed to the outward ear, the ecstasy of touching an instrument, however unimportant, or of hearing new Scientific revelation, however superflous.

"The Science," they exclaimed, "feeds us and protects us and elevates us; with it we speak to one another, with it we teach one another, in it is the totality of being. The Science is the friend of rationality and the enemy of superstition: the Science is omniscient, unquestioned; blessed is the Science." And before long this allocution was printed on the first page of the Book, and in subsequent editions the ritual swelled into a complicated system of praise and prayer." - A parody of The Machine Stops

Re: UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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Post by [deleted] »

kneebonian wrote: post #52
stuckinhell wrote: post #43

I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE! The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate. You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of lin…

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Re: UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

stuckinhell wrote: post #43

I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".
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