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Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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How about teaching kids self control and concentration?

sure, we can also teach them to not eat junk food while living inside mcdonalds, how hard can it be, its just self control.

Yes. Forget the free internet. We win the moral battle. That's what really matters.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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A family friend is a teacher and she talks about how the kids just play with their phones the whole time. They don't pay attention and she's not allowed to do anything about it. I don't understand how we got to the point where teachers have zero authority. I don't understand why phones can't be put in lockers. If you really need to use the phone for an emergency, you could get a pass. And in the past isn't that what…

From what I understand it’s a confluence of multiple different factors resulting in this situation. The problem is this (inability to enforce classroom etiquette) is really only an issue in “Gen Pop” public schools, which is starting a kind of doom spiral out of them, concentrating the problem there even more so.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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For an emergency lifeline phone, a non-smartphone would be more robust, be far cheaper and have longer battery life.

for diabetes sensors you need to have a phone with android or ios to use the app which sends data to parents/doctors (stuff like dexcom)

Most of them have a receiver option too. Dexcom does. They're another cost though, and quite expensive for what they do (~$400 for the G7 receiver). They don't have Wi-Fi though, so they can't upload data (at least for Dexcom).

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

> As with most things, the decision of smartphone access for kids should come down to having parents actually understand their child, his/her needs and ability to handle the associated responsibility. Except that far too many parents don't do this. I don't think its because they don't care, but rather they care more about their child "fitting in". This is why our local middle school is full of 12-year-olds with iPhon…

Good points. It's also difficult for parents (even the "techie" ones) to stay in control. Say what you want about screen time and monitoring apps, kids know enough (and will happily share tips) about TOR, DoH, VPNs, etc. It's kinda cool on the tech front, this whole cat-and-mouse game, but NOT as the expense of our children's mental health.

There's a reason the creators of these toys don't allow their own kids to play with them.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

I think the problem is more about social media than smartphones. A recent study did a survey[1] of parents who had allowed their teenage kids to use social media. The results were pretty significant. Every parent in the survey said it was a big mistake in retrospect. Lots of problems, from addiction to depression. [1] I don't recall what the N was.

That's a good distinction. I think however, in the case of phone use among schoolchildren, "smartphone" and "social media" are nearly synonymous. You just can't get a lot of the negative aspects of phone usage without tying it down to social media. (I'm thinking of your Likes, public shaming, low self esteem, distraction by notifications, photo filters, narcissism, addiction, short attention spans, difficulty concentrating, etc. It's hard(er?) to pull that off without the deep pockets of social media giants.)

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Yes they can, people can (and should) have some influence over their own life.

Then you're trying hard to misunderstand, and what do you gain from that? There's no point in arguing about semantics.

I think my point is pretty clear: you listed a whole hierarchy of people who you think should have control over your child's behavior (with you at position #1), and haven't given any answer for where you think a child's own decision-making should fit in

Did you miss my original question?

> Do they get any input in what technology they derive value/enjoyment from, or is that entirely dictated by adults in their community who grew up 20+ years ago?

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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No one in my schools brought anything like that because they get confiscated forever. It was a big deal and also came with additional punishment. I am firmly a millennial. Passing notes was rare too and if caught they would go to principals office. Now kids whip phones out and play and assault teachers who take their phone or record teachers and mock them and other students. It’s horrible.

Soon you'll be shaking your fists at kids near your lawn and opposing affordable housing in your neighborhood

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C'mon man.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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I grew up in a rural area and I was running off into the woods behind my house with my siblings at like age 4 or 5, no supervision required. The idea that a kid can't play in the woods by themselves is weird to me. Parents are definitely getting to helicoptering, I saw a group of 18 year olds decide they wanted to get pizza while at someone's house, and then decide to all call their parents to ask if it were okay (no…

Once, when I was 18, I went to an anime convention the next state over. I drove 3 friends and we shared a hotel room. We took lightrail into the city, but found that it was unreliable, so at the end of the night, we decided to try to hitch a ride with an acquaintance back to the hotel. He had a car which seated 5, so it was him, his sister, 3 of us, and then the last friend would take a cab. This 24 year old called h…

I am shocked that happened in 2013. In high school our soliton to not enough seats was to have people get in the trunk. I couldn’t imagine at 24, calling mom to ask if it was okay to drive other people. At 24 you’re an adult with a job, apartment, etc.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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When I was in school, we broke a teacher's curriculum by me having a digital camera (Agfa CL20) The teacher's process was to put a slide on the projector and have everyone write it down. Repeat until class is over, maybe with minimal discussion. I just snapped a picture of a slide and told the teacher to move to the next one, I already sent it to everyone in class =)

The process of writing down information is one aspect of learning it.

True.

But very few people can write down a slide, listen to what the teacher is commenting while reading it aloud and ALSO make notes about what the teacher said simultaneously. Some people even resort to recording the audio of lectures to keep up (afaik some note-taking apps on iOS actually support it directly + sync it with the written notes).

But this wasn't the case, copying the slides WAS the whole class pretty much.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Then you're trying hard to misunderstand, and what do you gain from that? There's no point in arguing about semantics.

I think my point is pretty clear: you listed a whole hierarchy of people who you think should have control over your child's behavior (with you at position #1), and haven't given any answer for where you think a child's own decision-making should fit in Did you miss my original question? > Do they get any input in what technology they derive value/enjoyment from, or is that entirely dictated by adults in their commun…

Instead of focusing on your own point, look at the answer I gave you. You seem to make up an image in your mind that I'm disregarding the child's own personality, when I haven't even touched on that aspect. Fight a real battle instead of an imaginary battle.
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