Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

Often times, the anxiety is the beginning of a cycle that inhibits learning (people turn to their devices for anxiety-relief in math class, causing them to learn less math, causing them to be more anxious about math, and suddenly there is an increase in "math anxiety" except for the small minority socialised into math from a young age)

If I had a gameboy (as some others in this thread mention) on me in middle/high school, I'd be at least engaging with something where the input informs the output, probably realise it's not worth the effort, and start paying attention to class.

It's also worth noting that social media platforms are expressly designed to not be understood; you don't actually learn anything about technology or gain an interest in computing by watching Reels; it's not like the teachers are the dumb ones and the kids are all discussing the merits of glibc vs musl on IRC or something

I understand that HN is mostly inhabited by those from a more techno-optimist era when most administrative positions were held by boomers who thought that the monitor was the computer, but this isn't that. This is qualitatively different.

It's quite possible the purpose of the word search is to train the child on their own visual pattern recognition, not their problem solving. Solving manually and writing an OCR program are teaching to two very different skillsets.

But more fundamental to my point is this: "There are more uses for smartphones than just Instagram and TikTok."

Yes, but without administrative-level filters and lockdowns, social media and garbage are inseparable from the phone. The solution would be for the school to offer a standard issue mobile device with whitelisted resources for the purposes of teaching.

Allowing students to have their personal, unrestricted phones out during class is to invite them to distract themselves from lessons and learning. It is to invite them to learn how not to focus on meatspace.

If you were to be overly reliant on phones for easy problem solving, or even medium problem solving (more and more enabled by LLMs), you’d not be building the underlying skills to deal with novel but simple problems that the internet/LLMs don’t know about. And you’d not build the foundation to help you with solving harder problems.

Plus, while computers are great for allowing us to “know” much more information than before without actually knowing it, it is still a different kind of knowing. The things you know in your head you can internalize and use to build connections between ideas, a more accurate world view, quickly connect disparate ideas. You also, even if you don’t remember all the details, know the general gist. If you rely too much on the internet, you don’t know that some concepts even exist, and you can fail to internalize or truly understand something.

I’ll give you one example: sometimes I look up programming stuff on the internet if I get stuck. If I immediately jumped to that every time I had a problem, I would not learn very much. Since I treat this as a last resort, I have learned a lot about programming from the process of figuring things out myself first by reading code. This has allowed me to build the skill of seeing an answer and thinking “oh, they got the general gist, but what they suggest is actually a bit over complicated” or “this is a good answer but for a different problem than the question/I am asking” - something noobs don’t discern as well.