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‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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It may be a person's instinct to immediately blame the researcher, and of course, I definitely think data fabrication is never justified. However, what is the societal problem here? It's the problem that in academia, there are such pressures to publish and be first nowadays that many people will do anything to get ahead. It doesn't help that social media and news sites have introduced a sort of gamification into it.…

Academia is zero sum. All zero sum endeavors result in this kind of behavior.

Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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It feels like karma after being told we had to blindly “trust the science” during the pandemic.

Covid would not have even been recorded if it happened 100 years ago. Start flashing on the screen the numbers of people killed by drunk drivers every week and let’s get something done about that instead of crashing trust in our national institutions —- with no survivors!

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Stuff involving room-temp superconductors would be about the last thing I'd ever want to fabricate.

Right. I’ve been thinking for awhile that Mr. Dias must have some sort of underlying mental issue to (apparently) repeatedly falsify research in an area that’s sure to attract loads of attention.

Imho he will surely lose his faculty appointment by the time this is over, and won’t have a prayer at getting another.

Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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post #34

It may be a person's instinct to immediately blame the researcher, and of course, I definitely think data fabrication is never justified. However, what is the societal problem here? It's the problem that in academia, there are such pressures to publish and be first nowadays that many people will do anything to get ahead. It doesn't help that social media and news sites have introduced a sort of gamification into it.…

> However, what is the societal problem here? I would say yes. I think we need to place a lot more value in publishing research that isn't surprising. Research that simply replicates (or fails to replicate) other research should be just as valuable to one's career as finding something unexpected. I scientist that has replicated a bunch of studies and identified several that they couldn't replicate is doing something…

A fundamental problem with research academia is that we scaled it up massively without introducing more division of labor.

Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

#46

It may be a person's instinct to immediately blame the researcher, and of course, I definitely think data fabrication is never justified. However, what is the societal problem here? It's the problem that in academia, there are such pressures to publish and be first nowadays that many people will do anything to get ahead. It doesn't help that social media and news sites have introduced a sort of gamification into it.…

>It's the problem that in academia, there are such pressures to publish and be first nowadays that many people will do anything to get ahead. If you can not do honest work in academia you should leave and go work somewhere else. Fraud is not the correct reaction to the problems of academia, as it actively hurts it even more. Nobody is forced to do academic research for a living, especially if you have a degree in phy…

Any system that relies on individuals adhering to the honor system will be abused. History has shown this repeatedly. We have created an institution that has all the wrong incentives in place. This institution will continue to churn out bad actors who will just get better and better at hiding their trails.

Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, what is the societal problem here? I would say yes. I think we need to place a lot more value in publishing research that isn't surprising. Research that simply replicates (or fails to replicate) other research should be just as valuable to one's career as finding something unexpected. I scientist that has replicated a bunch of studies and identified several that they couldn't replicate is doing something…

A fundamental problem with research academia is that we scaled it up massively without introducing more division of labor.

Interesting. I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying though. Can you expand on that?

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post #24

Science currently looks like somebody going to fish, with the purpose of caught the best fish in the sea. So first they put the bait inside a plastic box, to weed out all the dumb fishes. Then they put the box inside another sealed wooden box, with a combination lockpad. Because only a really smart fish with skilled fin-paws should be able to figure out how to open also that box. For better measure, they finally put…

I think you're talking about Academia, not science. The scientific method is not at fault here.

I don't want to be pedantic or argumentative, but I think you've created a straw-man of the comment you're replying to.

scientific institutions != scientific method

Academia is the most prestigious scientific institution.

Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tl;dr: not allowing data fabrication is some kind of lofty, unreasonable standard that doesn't allow science to be published. Please.

That's not what he means, he's saying the pressure to constantly publish original research (the more original the better!) creates these incentives to become a rat, that is, to cheat.

Right, and as another poster pointed out, that's academia, not science.

Re: ‘A very disturbing picture’: another retraction for controversial physicist

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Experimental science is much more prone to fraud. An experimental scientist can misled the whole community knowingly for decades before anyone bothers to replicate their studies. The self correcting loop of science can be very slow.

A theoretical scientist will be caught much sooner and it will cause an irreparable damage to his/her reputation. Who will ever take them seriously after that?

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