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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by stickyricky »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #51
stickyricky wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should at least acknowledge the "trolley" problem here. You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty. The US has a "volunteer" force but "volunteer" is a stretched euphemism in my mind. There aren't many people with options "volunteering" for the marines. Obligatory "I'm pro vaccine".

> You have two bad choices: join the marines or live in poverty. That's a loaded conundrum, but isn't this also true about pretty much any other job, especially in the US?

Sure but we're talking about if people were forced to take a vaccine. Social pressure, conditions of employment, mandates by government agencies. All of these things can muddy what it means to make a "voluntary" choice.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by gadders »

ryneandal wrote: post #47
gadders wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So all those twitter and government agencies that sent emails saying they were doing it were.. what? Cosplaying and writing fictional emails for LOLs?

> To date, not a single document revealed has shown what people now falsely believe: that the US government and Twitter were working together to “censor” people based on their political viewpoints. Literally none of that has been shown at all. Instead, what’s been shown is that Twitter had a competent trust & safety team that debated tough questions around how to apply policies for users on their platform and did not…

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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by bko »

andersa wrote: post #8
two_handfuls wrote: post #3

I’m surprised when I see people uncritically repeating the claim that Twitter now aims for “free speech.” It’s clear that was never true and always meant “Speech Elon wants to allow.”

It was always about the right wing kind of free speech - free to harass and insult people, freedom from consequences.

Right because that's objectionable speech. You don't need to worry about non-objectionable speech because no one would care to censor it.

I don't know what you mean by freedom on consequences. I guess a consequence of speech could be to get your account banned? If anything Twitter leaving up your objectionable content would result in more likely conferences of being fired or something.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by slily »

nxx788 wrote: post #55
gadders wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did he do that?

There are several instances of left wing folks being banned, he stated that "cis" will be disallowed on the platform, he's removed tweets at the behest of governments like the Saudis, and this post is literally about text disappearing, lol. It's not hard to find instances. Note, I think it's fine for companies to moderate speech on their platforms. No objections there. Just don't simultaneously claim you are some sor…

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Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by ben_w »

mywittyname wrote: post #23
andersa wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was always about the right wing kind of free speech - free to harass and insult people, freedom from consequences.

Don't forget -- freedom from having to hear left-wing ideologies or about anything uncomfortable.

Left or right, anarchic or authoritarian, theocratic (of any flavour) or atheist, populist or technocratic, radical or conservative, Apollonian or Dionysian.

There's more ways to be outside the Overton window, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy.

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by gadders »

standardUser wrote: post #45
gadders wrote: post #28

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Lol. Have you been in a news blackout for the last year? Denying it at this point is equivalent to being a flat earther or something. Read the Twitter Files from Tabibi, Weiss, Shellenberger etc. The evidence is all there.

You are providing examples that support your claim but ignoring the mountain of evidence (countless actual twitter posts) that contradict your claim. There's evidence for lot of things and clever rhetoric can make that evidence sing and dance however you'd like it to. But what rational people demand is an honest accounting of all of the evidence, not just the narrow slice that lets you craft fairy tales you find usef…

What twitter posts are those? Ones from the FBI saying "We never asked Twitter to remove posts." Where are those?

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by gadders »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #58
gadders wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccine didn't stop transmission though so being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" (you weren't, mostly) with a "deadly" (not unless morbidly obese or with other serious health issues) "crippling" (still unconfirmed) virus.

> ...being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" Those parroting this point forget to mention that hospitals across the country were collapsing because of COVID-19 patient admissions.

But if you can give people the virus whether vaccinated or not, there is functionally no difference in how much you were endangering people.

How does hospitals collapsing change that?

Re: Community Note correcting Musk’s anti-vax tweet mysteriously disappears

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Post by dhimes »

myhorsehasworms wrote: post #37

To be fair, that twitter context post is almost entirely useless. Comparing the risk of myocarditis from vaccines to the risk of myocarditis from actually getting covid is not a helpful comparison. Generally speaking, everyone is going to get covid whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed. So the question is whether adding vaccines into the mix REDUCES the overall myocarditis risk or increases it. In other words (Covid inf…

I disagree that the context post is almost useless. I bet there were a lot of people reading that who didn't know that myocarditis is a possible side-effect of Covid itself without the community pointing it out to them right there.

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Post by tanseydavid »

ryneandal wrote: post #47
gadders wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So all those twitter and government agencies that sent emails saying they were doing it were.. what? Cosplaying and writing fictional emails for LOLs?

> To date, not a single document revealed has shown what people now falsely believe: that the US government and Twitter were working together to “censor” people based on their political viewpoints. Literally none of that has been shown at all. Instead, what’s been shown is that Twitter had a competent trust & safety team that debated tough questions around how to apply policies for users on their platform and did not…

>> Literally none of that has been shown at all. Instead, what’s been shown is that Twitter had a competent trust & safety team that debated tough questions around how to apply policies for users on their platform and did not seem at all politically motivated in their decisions.

...with the FBI providing unsolicited guidance along the way.

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