I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?
FTC right now has awful leadership. They only care about blocking mergers and scoring political points.
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's two aspects to that actually. 1. Often the feedback goes completely to the wrong address. You won't stop Google from doing google things. 2. Most often the depth level at which the discussions on web standard are made will alienate most people, so instead of participating in "standards making" they turn somewhere else (1.). The web is awesome and it got awesome because for the first 15 years of its existence…
> Most often the depth level at which the discussions on web standard are made will alienate most people, so instead of participating in "standards making" they turn somewhere else It also takes a lot of time. You have to read quite a few proposals, and there are literally hundreds of them, you have to participate in discussions in the GitHub issues, on the w3c mailing list, and in multiple face-to-face discussions.…
As I say in the original comment > process will ... eventually fail if the public cannot appoint people to be vigilant full time for them.
And I was exactly thinking of paid full time work.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
FTC right now has awful leadership. They only care about blocking mergers and scoring political points.
That is a defeatist attitude; writing to them couldn't be worth less than shouting into the abyss with our comments on Github issues and on HN, etc.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean that’s part of the point. It’s there to exactly lock out scrapers. Or crawlers, for that matter. What a happy little coincidence.
This is just silly, there exist frameworks like selenium that allow you to run any browser of choice and emulate actual user behavior(clicks, keystrokes). If they go further the emulation layer will have to be moved higher, above the virtual machine running the browser for example. The truth is, this has nothing to do with scraping, scrapers will find a way. This is to stop the majority of people from using ad block.
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#36So, how can this be bypassed in theory? Any ideas? Brainstorming is allowed. EDIT: Saw a few mention two solutions to disable the automatic verification on iOS & macOS. https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-to-enable-private-access-tok... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213449
Disabling the feature on your device will make you fail attestation and thus websites requiring it will just stop working.
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#37Is this serious?
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#38I think we will get to a PostCapitalist future. The decisions we make in the next 7 years will likely determine whether the probable future is dystopian like Shadowrun, or utopian like Paul Mason (see his book "Postcapitalism: a Guide to Our Future").
Personally, I prefer Mason's, with his goals of:
- Rapidly reduce carbon emissions to stay below 2 °C warming by 2050 (edit: We've lost this battle, see the current 6-sigma sea ice event and recent AMOC reports - maybe we can hold it to 3 °C).
- Stabilise and socialise the global finance system.
- Prioritise information-rich technologies to deliver material prosperity and solve social challenges such as ill health and welfare dependency.
- Gear technology towards minimising necessary work, until work becomes voluntary and economic management can focus on energy and resources rather than capital and labour.
That will not be if we do not bring to heel the FAANG companies now, and prevent things like Apple's Private Access Token, Google's WEI, etc. from taking root (yanking them out of the ground where already present).
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#39I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?
FTC right now has awful leadership. They only care about blocking mergers and scoring political points.
Their leadership isn't "awful", their leaders are finally doing their job, for the first time in decades.
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#40Soon, websites will require kernel access to make sure you don't have cheats installed. (Sarcasm, obviously)