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Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#71

Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

The problem with your argument is that even if you understand your child and know that smartphone use in school is distracting them from education, you can't really ban them from using a smartphone of everyone else is allowed, or you risk them becoming a social pariah.

School-wide and broader bans actually fix this problem of social needs, by leveling the playing field.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#72

Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

you most likely worked alone on your PC , learning stuff. Phones are validation addiction machines now. If they take away attention from the classroom then it makes sense to ban them ?

Perhaps you have not experienced how tech-illiterate smartphone kids are today? They d most likely struggle to navigate HN because it lacks notifications and likes.

I think we should be making a distinction between phones and computers always

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time Back then kids were not watching tv or playing video games in the middle of class. I remember when I was in school people were texting on their flip phones, I can't imagine the extent of distractions in school today. I used to pay attention in class only because there was nothing more entertaining to do. If I had a phone an…

> playing video games in the middle of class. Laughs in GameBoy. Seriously, you have to be elder gen x or older to exist in a time where handheld consoles of some flavor were not available. And there’s always been other forms of entertainment, be it passing notes, talking, or daydreaming.

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Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#74
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We did just fine in schools before smartphones. Perhaps even better .

Another thing to think about is how these things obliterate creativity - In school If I was bored I would doodle in the back of my notebooks during class. Drawings of things, places, trying to do nature scenes. But mostly drawings of machinery, robots and electronics nonsense. Towards senor year when I learned some programming it was code. Those little ephemera works feel important - exercises of the mind, creativity…

It's not that they obliterate creativity, it's that they shape it in one or two very specific ways. Let me tell a story with some background as an example:

Our rule in our family is that smart devices are a reward; finish your chores, get x number of minutes on tablet; do a good dead unasked get x number of minutes on tablet, that sort of thing. The one major difference in our family is that all smart devices (save for GPS) are banned on road trips/car rides. Boredom is essential to the developing mind and fosters imagination and creativity. I am convinced of that.

Recently, we had some of our child's friends over for sleepovers around his birthday. We live in a rural area, so playing in the woods and dinking around outside are sort of standard. Some of the kids' parents were uncomfortable with us just letting them go tear ass around in the woods, so I went with them to supervise (another issue entirely). I noticed that the games they played fell into two categories; those influenced by smart devices and those not.

The kids who had little- to no-access to smart devices built dams, played forts, looked at bugs and tried to figure out how to make them fight - the sorts of outdoor activities you would expect to see on Leave it to Beaver or some other old show like that.

The kids who have constant access to smart devices played as if they were in fortnight or some other videogame and were narrating their experience/acting like a streamer in more and more outrageous ways to get attention from their friends.

It's not that they weren't creative, but they were creative within incredibly specific parameters established by a videogame company.

So, I don't know that they obliterate creativity, as much as they focus it into something that is different sorts of creativity. Good, bad, or indifferent I don't really know. I think it's probably bad, but don't know for sure.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#75

Going against HN's usual anti-smartphone thing, I think this is incredibly dumb. Luckily no one really cares much about what UNESCO calls for. Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time, "kids will only play games on computers" and other related superstitions that were in vogue back in the early 2000s. All they did was make parents feel validated (without having to pu…

Stop making teachers jobs harder. They are overworked and underpaid as is, and now asking them to fight for attention with a kids smartphone in class just creates a hostile adversarial relationship with their students, that harms the learning process.

An outright ban will make their job easier.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time Back then kids were not watching tv or playing video games in the middle of class. I remember when I was in school people were texting on their flip phones, I can't imagine the extent of distractions in school today. I used to pay attention in class only because there was nothing more entertaining to do. If I had a phone an…

> playing video games in the middle of class. Laughs in GameBoy. Seriously, you have to be elder gen x or older to exist in a time where handheld consoles of some flavor were not available. And there’s always been other forms of entertainment, be it passing notes, talking, or daydreaming.

Legislation doesn't exist in a vacuum. I imagine there are more smartphones in classroom today that the number of GameBoy ever sold.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#77
I would support this purely on the basis of reducing the privacy invasion of those children by those devices. The confusion is any other devices they use will similarly be phoning home so I would advocate for their removal too.

The future seems to involve some sort of macro Tesla aesthetic where more than you thought reasonable has been removed, what is there may not be executed well, and what displays etc there are in one physical region all go through one single point of control/truth attestation with other devices banned. In the case of a school that will be the school IT which they may outsource.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time Back then kids were not watching tv or playing video games in the middle of class. I remember when I was in school people were texting on their flip phones, I can't imagine the extent of distractions in school today. I used to pay attention in class only because there was nothing more entertaining to do. If I had a phone an…

> playing video games in the middle of class. Laughs in GameBoy. Seriously, you have to be elder gen x or older to exist in a time where handheld consoles of some flavor were not available. And there’s always been other forms of entertainment, be it passing notes, talking, or daydreaming.

I saw plenty of game boys confiscated. Cellphones are in a strange place because they have actual utility, while also letting people play games.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#79
post #66

My kid just graduated from a NYC high school that had a complete ban on phones in school. The kids checked in their phones at the front desk on the way in and got them back when leaving. It was by no means watertight -- many (most?) kids had a "burner" phone that was dead or broken or whatever that they turned in (because nobody would believe a highschooler who said they didn't have their phone with them lol) and the…

> My 12 year old can take the subway to school by himself, but ONLY if he has a phone in case he ends up in some wackadoodle situation where his train has gone express or is on another train line and he needs to call his lifeline (me!) to figure out how to work it out. I was taking the subway to school by myself at 12 in Toronto (maybe a slightly less intense city, to be fair). I'm not sure about NYC but in Toronto i…

Turning red is accurate /verified.

The only place I’ve personally witnessed wide spread mass transit use for youth in school is Japan. Totally normal and feels safe.

Re: Unesco calls for global ban on smartphones in schools

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Outright bans on smartphones in schools are no different from the video game, TV screen time Back then kids were not watching tv or playing video games in the middle of class. I remember when I was in school people were texting on their flip phones, I can't imagine the extent of distractions in school today. I used to pay attention in class only because there was nothing more entertaining to do. If I had a phone an…

> playing video games in the middle of class. Laughs in GameBoy. Seriously, you have to be elder gen x or older to exist in a time where handheld consoles of some flavor were not available. And there’s always been other forms of entertainment, be it passing notes, talking, or daydreaming.

Are you serious… as a kid pulling out a Gameboy in the middle of class and just sitting there playing a game would feel like a death sentence. The equivalent of walking into a bank with an assault rifle firing wildly in the air.
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