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And what happens when website owners decide supporting Firefox is not worth it?
So many sites don't work correctly in Firefox. Chrome is the new IE6.
If you want to help, push back on all the anti-Firefox rhetoric that amplifies every little misstep that they take. Firefox is so much better from a user-respect perspective and the vitriol over little things (a couple of anonymous, tracking-free sponsored links on a new tab page?) are losing the plot.
Disappointing to see such a 180 on 'don't be evil'. I'm recommending Mozilla Firefox to all friends and family.
I do, and I keep having those tiring conversations, but it's really hard to get the point across in layman's terms. I have enough friends in tech who stick with Chrome out of convenience instead of just falling back on it in case something actually doesn't work in Firefox. how do I convince tech illiterate people of doing this?
Both users can keep Chrome installed as a fallback - that will help with convincing too.
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You'll need an "approved" browser and potentially "approved" hardware to access the web. Since Cloudflare is on this too, most of the web will be locked for anyone who doesn't use mainstream hardware.
Cloudflare want to be the internets backbone. And they've honestly succeeded. Now it's almost impossible to access websites in an automated way -- the CTO posted you can just email him ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34639212 ) and he'll sort it. Because that scales. edit: Mispoke about the CTO, said he would approve you, I was wrong. Apologies. Their DNS is "privacy focused", but they provide "aggregated resu…
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So many sites don't work correctly in Firefox. Chrome is the new IE6.
Such as? Everything I care about works fine. I've no idea what people are referring to when they say sites don't.
It looks like they do not care if they have consensus or approval for WEI, they are implementing it regardless. Wherever you live, you should contact your government representatives and regulators and put a spotlight on this issue for what it is--monopoly abuse of power. Grassroots efforts are great and it is good to let your friends, family, and associates know what they are doing and why it is wrong. However, gover…
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And what happens when website owners decide supporting Firefox is not worth it?
So many sites don't work correctly in Firefox. Chrome is the new IE6.
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I think it would be interesting to get their views on it. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot think this is a good idea. Not that I agree, but I think it's unlikely that everyone sees it the same way as those outside the organisation.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it". I imagine it's hard to push back against it even internally. Not to be jaded, but one or two people raising a stink about it will only achieve them screwing up their career prospects within Google.
If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there is never going to be one. Google needs to be broken up. They own the browser market. They own the web (through Adwords). They own Search. They own mobile. They own most of the video sharing market with 2.5 billion monthly annual users. They own a good chunk of email with 1.2 billion monthly annual users. They have amassed an incomprehensible amount of power…
To make it explicit: the only way this happens is by Americans voting for it. The FTC has been more active on anti-trust issues in the past two years than at any time in the past 30. That's a direct result of the 2020 election. Elections matter.
One of the proposals for WEI is to make it probabilistically fail. Ie. on a given device, for 10% of websites, WEI pretends to be unsupported. That means websites can't deny service where WEI is unsupported. Yet it still allows statistical analysis across bulk user accounts. If WEI was implemented like this, I would support it as being good for the web ecosystem.
This is the bait to make it sound reasonable. Of course this hold-back feature will be quietly disabled at some point in the future. The whole proposal is full of weaselly half truths and misrepresentation about their real plans
Will it though? Googles main reason for WEI I assume is to combat ad-fraud. Ie. to prevent someone making a bot farm to click ads to earn money from advertising or exhaust competitors ad budgets or manipulate search engine user ranking signals.
With WEI, all ad clicks without WEI could just be ignored (ie. not billed to advertisers, ignored when calculating statistics and signals). If 10% of clients have WEI 'cloaking', you just inflate the final advertising bill by 10% to account for those users - the end result is the same as billing for all real users and no bots.
WEI still achieves all of Googles goals even with cloaking.