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Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by bee_rider »

PedroBatista wrote: post #75
ep103 wrote: post #34

And also, to switch back to Firefox

Who has been mismanaged for at least a decade and depends on Google to pay their bills.. I'm a FF user since the early 00's and Firefox will mostly not go away because Google has an interest in using it against monopoly accusations but the reality is bleak.. And the reality is these people ( Google in this case ) are so far removed from any moral compass about the Web ( at least what most people here think of "the We…

I hear Firefox is mismanaged all the time, but it seems to be a perfectly fine browser for the most part. I hear all about sites that won’t render in comments on this website, but they must all be internal tools or something because I never encounter them.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by gmerc »

PedroBatista wrote: post #75
ep103 wrote: post #34

And also, to switch back to Firefox

Who has been mismanaged for at least a decade and depends on Google to pay their bills.. I'm a FF user since the early 00's and Firefox will mostly not go away because Google has an interest in using it against monopoly accusations but the reality is bleak.. And the reality is these people ( Google in this case ) are so far removed from any moral compass about the Web ( at least what most people here think of "the We…

You’re gonna have to swallow your pride and use the best option here. If you are American you already have lifelong training in this dynamic and you know if you don’t, it just gets so much worse.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by notpachet »

ben_w wrote: post #50
wasmy wrote: post #15

Another tame article in The Register: https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/25/google_web_environmen... Despite the spec's half-baked state, the blowback last week was swift – in the form of a flood of largely critical comments posted to the WEI GitHub repository, and abuse directed at the authors of the proposal. The Google devs' response was to limit comment posting to those who had previously contributed to the repo…

Limiting posting and asking for civility is the only way for individuals to meaningfully engage with even a mere thousand others. Nothing about the human mind was meant for social internet at the scale of the internet, where there are more distinct voices than you have heartbeats in a lifetime.

> more distinct voices than you have heartbeats in a lifetime

Quotable!

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by goalieca »

LikelyABurner wrote: post #73
scarface_74 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Wait until your bank requires you to use it to pay your bills and tax preparation websites require it to pay for taxes.

It’s bad enough google captcha is broken on Firefox with all the privacy extensions on.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by redman25 »

thejosh wrote: post #33
csomar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll need an "approved" browser and potentially "approved" hardware to access the web. Since Cloudflare is on this too, most of the web will be locked for anyone who doesn't use mainstream hardware.

Cloudflare want to be the internets backbone. And they've honestly succeeded. Now it's almost impossible to access websites in an automated way -- the CTO posted you can just email him ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34639212 ) and he'll sort it. Because that scales. edit: Mispoke about the CTO, said he would approve you, I was wrong. Apologies. Their DNS is "privacy focused", but they provide "aggregated resu…

I've never understood why so many tech oriented people have turned a blind eye to Cloudflare.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by wsgeorge »

bee_rider wrote: post #111
PedroBatista wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who has been mismanaged for at least a decade and depends on Google to pay their bills.. I'm a FF user since the early 00's and Firefox will mostly not go away because Google has an interest in using it against monopoly accusations but the reality is bleak.. And the reality is these people ( Google in this case ) are so far removed from any moral compass about the Web ( at least what most people here think of "the We…

I hear Firefox is mismanaged all the time, but it seems to be a perfectly fine browser for the most part. I hear all about sites that won’t render in comments on this website, but they must all be internal tools or something because I never encounter them.

Some Google services I regularly depend on (like YouTube and Google Meet) don't work as well on Firefox as they do on Chrome, in ways that actually matter. Besides that I think most websites work fine.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by XorNot »

ewgoforth wrote: post #99
unmole wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what happens when website owners decide supporting Firefox is not worth it?

So many sites don't work correctly in Firefox. Chrome is the new IE6.

Such as? Everything I care about works fine. I've no idea what people are referring to when they say sites don't.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Post by nonane »

smallstepforman wrote: post #19
ailef wrote: post #4

Can somebody explain what are the practical implications of this?

The Browser application needs to pass a binary image check, and if the browser hash doesn't match Google database, you cannot proceed to the website (since your browser may be corrupted). A major big deal for non main-stream browser, and for non Google browser developers, extension developers (eg. AdBlock), etc. In summary, some websites (like banks, Netflix, etc) will no longer be available for non mainstream browse…

Can you please explain why a third party browser can’t lie about its hash, just like it can lie about it’s user agent?
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