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This is news to me; when and how does Google own Firefox? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
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I use Edge. I think Edge is a realistically viable competitor, especially with Bing chat sidebar. It's also faster than Safari on MacOS
I think the person you are responding to would say that edge is just another chromium skin. It doesn't exactly relieve Google's monopoly on browser technology
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> I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Victim blaming BS. Let's see who else is the problem. How about all those engineers who decided not to contribute to Firefox? Or all those website developers who didn't test their site in Firefox? Or hell, why not all those Mozilla engineers who didn't fix Firefox hard enough? Let's put the blame where it actually is. Google is…
Victim blaming is absolutely the correct approach here. Of course you shouldn't blame your grandma for using Chrome, but people on HN are a completely different audience. HN readers should be well aware of the damage Google is causing to the open internet, using Chrome is tantamount to supporting this effort.
It’s not always so easy to walk away from an entire platform. People’s entire livelihoods could be based around Google.
I don’t see any issue with Google owning some of this responsibility.
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They get paid lots of money.
But surely those folks can walk away and put in their CV that they quit because they were in charge of implementing one of the worst ideas the history of internet has seen so far. Wouldn't you hire someone that puts that in their resume?
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#185Let me get this straight, so they want to establish "personhood" without attesting a unique ID to also preserve privacy.
Then how will they prevent a single secure element attesting an entire FSB worth of fake internet users? I feel like these two goals are mutually exclusive.
This is of course the least of my concerns. The whole thing should've been uprooted ages ago.
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#186> "Users often depend on websites trusting the client environment they run in."
Nope, websites depend on the advertisers trusting them. WEI is solving a website vendor problem, not a user problem.
> "The web page executing in a user's web browser"
From a user perspective web pages "render" in the browser, not "execute". Vendors that want "execution" on a client machine should distribute a rich client app, where many OS platforms already support environment attestation. WEI is web page vendors wanting to have their cake and eat it.
Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible
#187I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…
> I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Victim blaming BS. Let's see who else is the problem. How about all those engineers who decided not to contribute to Firefox? Or all those website developers who didn't test their site in Firefox? Or hell, why not all those Mozilla engineers who didn't fix Firefox hard enough? Let's put the blame where it actually is. Google is…
I never seen a single chrome add. I'm sure we're in different part of the world and in different add segments, but seems to me chrome marketing in not that widespread, is it ?
As a retired FE engineer, the top reason I used chrome and test with it was the powerful yet light devtools.
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You can actually use more extensions on Android. It's just more involved than it should be. The trick is to create an "extension collection" from your Mozilla account. Then you can use any extension, and a lot of them just work.
I know but it never worked for me. I followed the procedure twice, two different years, two different installs. I'm always doing something wrong. On Mozilla's side, why are they even doing that to us on Nightly?
I don't know what you're doing wrong (all I can say is that the name of the collection is case sensitive) but I haven't had any trouble adding the custom collection settings to my Firefox installs.
Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible
#189Google engineers or Google managers/business units? I don't think regular engineers have the voice to drive these kind of things. Sure, engineers are the ones implementing it, but at the end of the day it needs the approval of management.
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#190It will be hard to beat any AR level ad filtering. Ultimately AI will make ad avoidance easier rather than harder.
I don't understand what AR has to do with this