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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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I know ads is a huge business. I never click them. Who clicks on ads? Really? What segment of Internet users does?

Sometimes they are relevant and I click. Maybe few times in the last year. Quite a handy way to discover something you had no idea existed. A specialized driving school in my area, for example. Not searchable through Google Maps or Google; it's specific, but not specific enough.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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The latest, tone-deaf response from a Google engineer: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...

I like how he changed his GitHub profile photo to a picture of a yellow duck.

I'd do the same thing if I was working for the devil and I knew it.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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They are the ones doing the work. They certainly have a choice not to.

Makes sense. This is the (labor) market selecting on services it wants to support. Employers like Google have no sort of leverage or responsibility here what-so-ever.

I never said they didn’t, but people seem to be arguing the engineers have no responsibility here. And people wonder why the internet and technology sucks — no one wants to own it, even the people who are literally writing the code.

“What choice do I have?” - a Google engineer who drives a brand new Tesla, living in a $10k per month apartment.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Lately I started getting shocksites kind of ads (think goatse.cx) of horrific cases of fungus in the legs or whatever. I pressed x on several occasions, naively thinking that anyone cares. Then I decided I don't want to see an ad in my life again. I got ublock origin on firefox and moved to Vivaldi browser in my android (which is a really good browser, coming with an adblocker out of the box). The hardest thing is in…

… And arrogant enough to tell yourself you are the cool guy on the internet. It’s the arrogance that kills me.

Well I don't tell myself anything like this because honestly I don't think anything about it is "cool". It's much cooler to not understand it, which makes you the cool guy :)

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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post #50

The latest, tone-deaf response from a Google engineer: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...

In the above he's mentioning that

Privacy features like user-agent reduction, IP reduction, preventing cross- site storage, and fingerprint randomization make it more difficult to distinguish or reidentify individual clients, which is great for privacy, but makes fighting fraud more difficult. This matters to users because making the web more private without providing new APIs to developers could lead to websites adding more:

- sign-in gates to access basic content

- invasive user fingerprinting, which is less transparent to users and more difficult to control

- excessive challenges (SMS verification, captchas)

My question is whether there is any data to back up those claims.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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> Websites funded by ads require proof that their users are human and not bots...Social websites need to differentiate between real user engagement and fake engagement...Users playing online games want assurance that other players are adhering to the game's rules.

The whole ad based web industry is really desperate to authenticate humans from bots isn’t?

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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post #44

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The same engineers doing this in exchange for money, healthcare, etc to put food on their tables and provide for their families? Not everyone has the ability to act on said 'choice' and risk their jobs, income, benefits.

If anyone does, it’s Google engineers. How much are they paid again? $100k? $200k? $300k? Seriously they have no agency here?

How much is the cost of living? Lifestyle creep? Do they have anyone at home sick and they're the only ones working while also living in a high cost of living area?

It's not that easy.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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It isn't just "make ad-blocking (near) impossible" as the current title of the submission suggests. It is: Make browsing the internet possible only on Chrome, Safari or Edge (with no modifications or extensions). No competition allowed in browsers. Make browsing the internet possible only on macOS, Windows, Android or iOS (no custom Android distributions, definitely no LineageOS or GrapheneOS or whatever). No competi…

If successful, that would make the anti-trust suites against MS seem like childs play.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#70

I know ads is a huge business. I never click them. Who clicks on ads? Really? What segment of Internet users does?

I assume you don't have to click them anymore nowadays? Should be fairly simple to find a correlation between ads shown to users and products sold, no?? I guess tracking solves this case.

Also as others said, there are quite a few people who still click them or click the first ad-links in google searches

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