Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

blog.spatial.chat

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 442 posts

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#141

Post by MoSattler »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #128

Meta: I want us to appreciate that total number of job postings on HN have been steadily falling since 2018 [1] with what appears to be an outlier jump in 2021 (post-pandemic bubble). That seems pretty important... Am I missing some big piece of context here that would make my analysis wrong? https://twitter.com/AndrewKemendo/status/1683877057959272449

Anecdotally, I've heard from HR professionals that posting on Hacker News isn't a particularly effective method for attracting candidates. Perhaps this could be the reason.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#142

Post by deckard1 »

ravenstine wrote: post #85
ryneandal wrote: post #5

I've been working remotely for nearly seven years now. I've been able to enjoy all of the typical "firsts" for my youngest two, saved immense amounts of time with no commute, and have been able to pitch in more regarding domestic tasks. I understand and empathize with those that value face-to-face conversations in the office, but for those that don't, remote work is an incredible boon.

There's arguments from both sides of the coin but, though I'm biased having worked remote for almost 5 years now, I think the remote-side usually wins the argument by simply being more reasonable. I see far fewer remote workers claiming that "everyone should work remote" and more in-office workers making sweeping claims that remote reduces creativity, reduces, productivity, or makes people lazy. The anti-remote folks…

> Nobody's telling you not to drive to an office every day.

reminds me of this meme that was going around Facebook during the last US election. It was an image of a line at a store like Target. The caption was something like "you stand in line at the store, you can stand in line to vote." You know, one of those absolutely stupid republican anti-mail-in-voting things. They apparently forgot that Amazon, one of the largest corporations in the world, exists. So no, I and the entire world do not stand in line at the store. And if you want to go stand in line all day to vote, you still can asshole. But I'll be dropping my ballot off at my mailbox.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#143

Post by ryanSrich »

vbo wrote: post #117

I don't mind working from home, but I find WFH-accommodating calls exhausting; it feels they take far longer than the equivalent in person discussion, in addition to losing the ad-hoc nature of office conversations. The context switch feels heavier on calls than it does in person. Also, the way daily calls tend to be scheduled (everyone at once, let's hash out everything for everyone so we can then get on with things…

> but I find WFH-accommodating calls exhausting

How many of these are truly necessary?

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#144

Post by jtr1 »

freedomben wrote: post #116
massysett wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try telling your partner to leave you alone? Also, what’s your workspace? It helps if you work in a separate room with a door. Working in a central open spot like the kitchen table invites more interruption. Of course this is hard to do if you’re in a small apartment.

> Try telling your partner to leave you alone? Some people who we love deeply, just cannot do this. If we're physically there, a reason to interrupt will always be found. IMHO it's not worth damaging the relationship.

I don’t want to read too deeply into your comments, but it may be worth exploring why expressing this need feels like it would damage your relationship. It could be that you both need to adjust your communication patterns to better express yourselves and hear each other.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#145

Post by lcfcjs »

zer8k wrote: post #74
mostlysimilar wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without data this is just fearmongering.

A trite statement like this has very little meaning. You don't need a double-blind placebo study to observe the shifting market.

[dead]

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#146

Post by mempko »

Aurornis wrote: post #89
tayo42 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are being cheap. Software engineers are only providing 200k dollars worth of value? I find that hard to believe.

Compensation isn't proportional to the value you produce. It never was. The hiring market is a market. Prices in a market are set by supply and demand. The value you produce only sets an upper limit on your compensation because companies don't want to lose money by employing people.

It's a market but not that great of a market. No transparent price discovery. Huge market manipulation by the big guys making deals with each other to suppress wages (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/04/23...)

Yes, wages are high relative to other industries but the large tech companies are immensely profitable. Wages can be even higher without market manipulation.

So yes, it's a market but a really really bad one in ways we value markets to be good.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#147

Post by nonethewiser »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #97
tayo42 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are being cheap. Software engineers are only providing 200k dollars worth of value? I find that hard to believe.

Salary has never been about the value you provide. It's about the cost to replace you. Companies will never pay you more than you cost to replace.

> Salary has never been about the value you provide. It's about the cost to replace you. Companies will never pay you more than you cost to replace.

Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. To some extent, the value you bring is whats behind the cost to replace you.

And I dont mean in some proportional relationship to revenue or profit or something. I just mean software engineers create more value than someone who can juggle chairs, who is incredibly hard to replace.

Of course if there were 4 billion software engineers tomorrow, wages would go down. We agree on that. But business value is a factor.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#148

Post by bcrosby95 »

JohnFen wrote: post #54
rjzzleep wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a question for people here. I absolutely value the time with my daughter and I actually enjoy working for home, I had been for the last couple of years, but it's becoming increasingly unbearable to do that with a nagging and micromanaging partner by my side who's life is COMPLETELY unstructured. So I find myself longing for office time, not because I like office time, but rather because I feel like it might br…

> Am I the only one in that situation? What do you do? What I did (decades ago) was realize that when I was working from home, I needed to treat it the same as working in an office. What that meant was: I need a room that is exclusively "the office". When I'm in there, I'm working. When I'm not working, I'm not in there. And everyone else in the household has to adhere to one rule -- if my office door is closed, they…

My rule is if the door is open or not. If it's open, come on in. If it isn't, only emergencies please!

We have 3 kids (5, 5, 8) and they can actually manage themselves for hours at a time. And I don't mean youtube, TV, or tablets. Just regular playing. My wife works part time so in the summer they don't have constant supervision in the morning.

This is where having more kids can be easier. 1 kid can be lonely, or be unable to get help if they hurt themselves. 2 can be a problem if a fight breaks out. With 3 you have someone who can come get you if there's a problem.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#149

Post by dspillett »

Aurornis wrote: post #113
dspillett wrote: post #90

Obviously this can only count jobs that say they are remote, I've seen many complaints about remote jobs that turn out to require significant time in an office location. -- Personally I'd prefer not to WFH mostly. While it is very useful to be able to (I have for a day or two here & there for years, and over the last year for a few days at a time while looking after ill parents and a terminal pet) but I hate it full…

> Obviously this can only count jobs that say they are remote, I've seen many complaints about remote jobs that turn out to require significant time in an office location. This happened to me. The company wanted to fly people to offices any time something important or urgent came up. It led to ridiculous situations where something urgent broke, and instead of sitting at our computers and working on it we'd be scrambl…

> travel requirement, which they scoffed at because it was for "fun" activities

I'm lucky enough to live close to where I work, so the commute isn't a massive problem, which may colour my view of remote work a bit.

I'm a sort of middle-aged empty-nester (though this nest was never full unless you count cats and the occasional lodger), but I've got a set of hobbies and some social life, so doing “fun” things because work tells me to is still work - I'm not going to count it as free time. Any “fun” outside my normal working time is time you can bet I'm going to claw back elsewhere.

I like many of the people I work with. Well, some of them at least. A couple of them I even mix with outside the office. But being told to do something fun often feels more like work than, well, work! I can see it being even extra effort to smile through when significant travel is involved.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#150

Post by acuozzo »

robswc wrote: post #70

It's weird. I feel like you can get more done at an office at times... but then there's also a lot of downtime. Also the commute is always killer. I honestly believe people work better when they get dressed and have some routine. No idea how people can work in their PJs, I'd feel so lazy, lol. However. The commute is killer. Even if you get it down to just 15 min. (which is hard unless you live right next to work) th…

> Even if you get it down to just 15 min. (which is hard unless you live right next to work) that's 30 min. a day. Prob adds up to well over 100 hrs a year just commuting.

I need my morning commute. It's a kind of forced meditation that I can't get at home with three young children.

It would stress me out if I couldn't work a flexible schedule or if I had to deal with rush-hour, so I'm thankful that these stars aligned for me.

Post reply on HN