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Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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I prefer in office but I don’t see how that’s possible with a family. How would you afford a large enough house in a city center? And otherwise how do you justify two hours of your day to commuting? It just seems like an extreme quality of life hit to be able to work in an office. Am I missing something?

A few people I worked with commuted by train and used most of their commute time to work.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

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I've been working remotely for nearly seven years now. I've been able to enjoy all of the typical "firsts" for my youngest two, saved immense amounts of time with no commute, and have been able to pitch in more regarding domestic tasks. I understand and empathize with those that value face-to-face conversations in the office, but for those that don't, remote work is an incredible boon.

I'm in a similar boat, working remotely since 2017. I don't even have kids, and just enjoy my local parks with my dogs, my wife, etc. My social interaction tends to not involve work, which I actually think is healthy, and gets me away from the echo chambers I've experienced in major tech hubs.

My biggest wish, or obstacle, is finding a team that truly values writing. So many times I've sat in meetings where the discussion largely focuses on everyone just clarifying their own ideas. Or status meetings. It's led me to believe that a lot of "in office is better" folks just value the instant gratification of face-to-face conversations.

I suspect HN's a community of early adopters, but I'd be curious how that actually plays out over time.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#73
post #45

I prefer in office but I don’t see how that’s possible with a family. How would you afford a large enough house in a city center? And otherwise how do you justify two hours of your day to commuting? It just seems like an extreme quality of life hit to be able to work in an office. Am I missing something?

The answer is you pick one of them.

London's entire population distribution for years has been built upon people moving out when they got kids.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#74
post #28

> on HN The most important subtext. There are engineer friends of mine laid off from remote companies that, almost 5 months later, cannot get work. These aren't braindead seatwarmers either. The software engineer market has shifted under our feet DRAMATICALLY. Any software engineer with a position should try to keep it for as long as they possible can.

Without data this is just fearmongering.

A trite statement like this has very little meaning. You don't need a double-blind placebo study to observe the shifting market.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#75
post #28

> on HN The most important subtext. There are engineer friends of mine laid off from remote companies that, almost 5 months later, cannot get work. These aren't braindead seatwarmers either. The software engineer market has shifted under our feet DRAMATICALLY. Any software engineer with a position should try to keep it for as long as they possible can.

I support remote work, but moving out to a rural area is putting yourself at risk if you expect to get high software engineer pay.

There’s a lot more competition for remote jobs and you’re also competing with highly qualified candidates in lower cost of living places outside the US.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#76
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just curious, why the downvote? I like remote and I only do remote, that does not mean 60% is a fact, and fact matters.

I upvoted you to help balance a bit. But I think you're being downvoted because that isn't what's being discussed here. The title and article are specifically about HN.

Thanks I was reading too fast indeed and since I am in the market now and I know the number does not match up so I wrote it fast, did not realize it's HN specific. Still a larger sample pool like linkedin might be helpful than HN's data.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cannot get work... at the price they want. Plenty of low-paying remote jobs out there

in my experience, the process is the same at any salary or compensation package it isnt “easier” to get an offer at lower ranges, those companies think they are taking a risk with their comp ranges too

It is significantly easier to get a $100k offer than a $600k one as a senior software engineer. Companies who offer lower pay fully understand they aren't poaching anyone from Meta or Netflix any time soon, and lower their bar in terms of how hard the interview is

In other words getting an offer for "tech in a non-tech company" is pretty easy. Getting the Meta offer in 1-shot of 6 back to back interviews, not so much

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#78
The Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2023 also had some data on this: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-employment-wor...

Hybrid (some remote, some in-person): 42.18%

Remote: 41.41%

In-person: 16.41%

I personally hope that remote work won't die out due to it being a good work environment for me personally (office building value be damned), but that split seems reasonable. Hopefully with the hybrid setups being accommodating enough to allow for someone to be fully remote, or fully in-person, depending on life circumstances and preferences.

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#79
post #28

> on HN The most important subtext. There are engineer friends of mine laid off from remote companies that, almost 5 months later, cannot get work. These aren't braindead seatwarmers either. The software engineer market has shifted under our feet DRAMATICALLY. Any software engineer with a position should try to keep it for as long as they possible can.

This is my personal experience as well. I'm ~4 months in, and I'm still looking for an appealing job. Anyone know of a forum where people like me can candidly compare notes about finding a job after layoff? I'm learning so many lessons, but some could only be shared in an anonymous setting.

blind

Re: Remote work on HN: Who is hiring? – 69% jobs in 2023 are remote

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been working full time remote since Sept 2021 (correction, 2020, just before pandemic). It's not even that I don't value the face-to-face conversations and human interaction, I absolutely do. It just doesn't come close to the immense value I gain by WFH. A side benefit: I was able to move closer to my church community, so my "human interaction" need is being fulfilled richer than ever now. (One of the most fru…

Do you mean Sept 2020? I believe everything shutdown (in most US states and European countries) in March 2020. Only wondering because ~3 years versus a little less than 2 years seems like a potentially big difference, so wondering if that feeling of fulfillment has is still going strong that long

Yes! Good catch. The COVID years still all feel like 1 long year..
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