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The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#72There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.
I think it's less "this is bullshit" and more "this is receiving far more attention than long influenza or long any other infection". We've fixated on long COVID to a degree that might not be productive and which - if it has a psychosomatic component in some cases - might be causing more long COVID.
Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#73There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.
come again? Long Covid has been documented in numerous top scientific journals. My understanding from my scientist friends is quite the opposite. It is well established.
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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#74There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.
Just because science hasn’t proven something or understood it doesn’t mean it’s not real or doesn’t exist.
If we lived solely by this definition there could be a lot of obvious things in the brain that could be canceled.
I understand your point but science is usually playing catch up with covid because it’s been so fast and far out of the gate.
Just because we don’t have the scientific understanding doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
In case you’re curious, lots comes out about long covid regularly.
“Gene linked to long COVID found in analysis of thousands of patients The first genome-wide search for long-COVID risk factors could pave the way for larger studies.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02269-2
“‘Brain fog’ of long Covid comparable to ageing 10 years, study finds Symptoms of infection can last two years”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/21/long-covid-bra...
Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#75There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.
Following my first infection with COVID, I developed mononucleosis as the infection reactivated the Epstein-Barr virus in my body, which gave me many of these symptoms. I have since found many scientific articles that discuss a link between the Epstein-Barr virus and long COVID. I'm always surprised that the Epstein-Barr virus is rarely talked about in popular news media when long covid is brought up.
Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#76Long COVID pretty much obliterated the career of a mentor of mine. She went from being a competitive athlete in her late sixties to a home-bound invalid in her early seventies. You know a health condition is grievous when it makes a mathematician give up lecturing.
It has ended dozens if not hundreds of elite athlete careers but also Olympians. Newspapers and specialty websites are full of these stories over the past few years but the public is either willfully ignorant or feel like denial is some kind of superpower. Has nothing to do with lack of fitness, anyone can get it. One big risk factor though to be clear is not the ONLY risk factor is literally genetics so that much is…
This is true. Novak Djokovic just withdrew from competition in Toronto due to fatigue. Famously, he protested against vaccination. https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/novak-djokovic-withdraw...
Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#77There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.
I think you mean there's a lack of broad consensus among scientists as to the root cause. There's scientific evidence aplenty. What constitutes as evidence of illness, if not ill people?
Sure, but I think for the bulk of reported long covid symptoms, there is a dispute over whether the cause is more related to post-virus sequelae or perceived infection by covid.
Long covid is likely a combination of both types, but there is evidence that a significant proportion is of the latter form.
Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
What risk do you perceive from being vaccinated that makes it at least as risky as covid and long covid? You feel like shit for a day, true.
The fact that mRNA based interventions have never before been deployed and as an individual it’s sensible to be cautious about using them until there is long term safety data?
We don't have long term safety data on any covid variant either...
Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#79Hasn't there been lots of evidence in the past year suggesting that Covid was created in a lab? If we were to go down this path: 1. Covid created in a lab (not proven, but high enough probability to be considered a reasonable option): https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wr... 2. If Covid was created in a lab, this de-facto means that Covid has potential as a biological weapon. I don't see how th…
No, there is little evidence suggesting it was created in a lab. There is evidence that it may have "leaked" from a lab that studies coronaviruses, but that doesn't mean it was engineered. The leading lab leak theory states that it could have been a sample collected from the wild, e.g. a bat colony, that was taken to the lab, and then someone at the lab was exposed. US intelligence agencies have clearly stated that t…
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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”
#80There is a lack of hard scientific evidence definitively proving this. However you may know in your bones that this is real, from lived experience or from people you know. Please keep that in mind when you dismiss other things that lack definitive scientific evidence. We as humans seem to pick and choose which currently unverified things to believe and which to dismiss.
I cannot comprehend a position of total long COVID denial, though I have encountered it online. Every virus you can think of that causes acute illness, can cause long term or even permanent damage. Sometimes rarely, sometimes often. Even the mildest common cold viruses, can, in very rare cases, be severe enough to cause pneumonia which causes scarring which leads to permanent loss of lung function. Hepatitis A is usu…
> For COVID to cause severe illness in a few % -- enough to kill in rare cases -- but to not cause permanent lung or heart or kidney damage etc. in some significant percent who got very sick is implausible, even incoherent with all other theories about how viral diseases cause disease.
So then why do we never talk about long flu? Long meningitis? I don’t think people are in disbelief COVID can cause long term damage to specific people. Obviously that’s a possibility.
I think they don’t believe there is a specific disease called “long COVID”. Call it what it is - be that a damaged lung or heart or kidney. Hell even “post COVID symptomatic disease”. But “long COVID” strongly implies that you have a long, currently present case of COVID. That somehow just doesn’t show up on any tests. After 2 years.