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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by hotdogscout »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #569
hotdogscout wrote: post #559

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No speech is suppressed where free speech is valued as a right, probably your case. You would find that porn and personal insults are not legal in many parts of the world. The Chinese government has adopted a zero-tolerance policy toward so-called sexual content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_China To them it is offensive therefore illegal. Again, protecting offensive speech is the point behind free sp…

You said: > If speech is not offensive it wouldn't be suppressed My point is that's not true, and it's trivial to find counterexamples. I listed a few in my comment.

Defamation is offensive, Spam is not suppressed speech(?).

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by hotdogscout »

Ensorceled wrote: post #570
hotdogscout wrote: post #547

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If speech is not offensive it wouldn't be suppressed therefore making the right to free speech irrelevant. You're free to say you like pickles over carrots in Saudi Arabia. Offensive doesn't necessarily mean demeaning of human rights.

Again, this is missing the point. Good speech is often considered offensive to some, so we must tolerate offensive speech in the name of free speech. Offensive speech is not automatically good speech and offensive speech in and of itself isn't automatically worthy of broadcast.

How am I missing the point? There is no point. We can choose as humans how we deal with speech we find offensive.

Free speech as a right was thought of by people that deemed offensive speech to have inherent protection. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by [deleted] »

sanderjd wrote: post #174
noAnswer wrote: post #164

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> Ultimately what drove me away was the literal flood of cp that was always right next to anything to do with tor, whonix, or anonymity in general. As a teen around 2003 I hosted a freenet-node (freenetproject.org). It generated 1TByte/month which I believe was a lot for the time. I shot it down and never came back, because the only things that ever loaded was cp and Chechnya rape and torture videos. Its not a networ…

Humanity is mostly good, it just isn't universally good. Providing services that rely on "universally good" to avoid being dominated by the tiny but horrible minority is always a disaster.

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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by ThrowAway1922A »

sanderjd wrote: post #174
noAnswer wrote: post #164

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> Ultimately what drove me away was the literal flood of cp that was always right next to anything to do with tor, whonix, or anonymity in general. As a teen around 2003 I hosted a freenet-node (freenetproject.org). It generated 1TByte/month which I believe was a lot for the time. I shot it down and never came back, because the only things that ever loaded was cp and Chechnya rape and torture videos. Its not a networ…

Humanity is mostly good, it just isn't universally good. Providing services that rely on "universally good" to avoid being dominated by the tiny but horrible minority is always a disaster.

> Humanity is mostly good

I don't believe there is any evidence to back this up whatsoever. People are compelled to be "good" by society and laws, nothing more. Humanity is fundamentally bad, but reined in by a handful of powerful people and organizations.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by marcus_holmes »

pdntspa wrote: post #543
marcus_holmes wrote: post #494

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Which is getting back to the religious crap of "sex is only for reproduction, between a married couple". Yes sex can result in reproduction, but I think making that its primary purpose misses the point. We experience a desire to fuck, separate from our desire to reproduce. They're two different things that are only related in a tiny minority of circumstances. Classifying someone's sexuality by its possible reproducti…

No, it's not. You are reading into things. There is no elevating one modality above the other, they are related but different. Why are you projecting your own biases into my statement? Call a spade a spade. What you take away beyond that is on you.

> There is no elevating one modality above the other, they are related but different.

You grouped all sexual activity into two groups: "normal" and "not normal". I think if anyone is projecting bias, it's that.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by jakelazaroff »

hotdogscout wrote: post #571
jakelazaroff wrote: post #569

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You said: > If speech is not offensive it wouldn't be suppressed My point is that's not true, and it's trivial to find counterexamples. I listed a few in my comment.

Defamation is offensive, Spam is not suppressed speech(?).

You can defame a corporation, in which case there’s no one to take offense. As for spam: look up the long list of rules in the CAN-SPAM act, for example.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by pdntspa »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #575
pdntspa wrote: post #543

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No, it's not. You are reading into things. There is no elevating one modality above the other, they are related but different. Why are you projecting your own biases into my statement? Call a spade a spade. What you take away beyond that is on you.

> There is no elevating one modality above the other, they are related but different. You grouped all sexual activity into two groups: "normal" and "not normal". I think if anyone is projecting bias, it's that.

No, I used the word 'heteronormative', which has a specific, clinical meaning.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by jquery »

hakavlad wrote: post #522
throwaway914 wrote: post #196

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There are many, many pedophiles out there. I'm also convinced of a conspiracy theory that a lot of dark web traffic and hosts are created/operated by secret parts of the gov to de-legitimize the need for anonymity. I believe this because it would be too easy with the access to that material and no oversight. Just muddy the waters so nothing in there looks worth protecting.

>There are many, many pedophiles If a person watches the CP - this does not mean that he is a pedophile. If a person watches the CP - this does not mean that he is a child abuser. Sharing CP != child abuse. Viewing CP != child abuse. Storing CP != child abuse.

It is abuse no matter how it was obtained or shared, because it is an affront to the basic dignity of that child.

I would go further and argue a lot of adult produced porn is also abusive (often exploiting people in desperate situations) but we have to arbitrarily draw the line somewhere. This is a big reason why I've stopped viewing most live-action porn entirely and enjoy drawn/animated/written erotica instead.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by CommitSyn »

fruitreunion1 wrote: post #110
jaylittle wrote: post #11

I stopped running a Tor non-exit node from home a few years back, because a lot of websites and platforms blacklist any IP associated with Tor. I couldn't actually watch anything on Hulu for years (though they were still happy to take my money, which I refused to give them) because of this. Running a tor node is a thankless thing one can choose to do. Nevertheless I did for years. I don't do it anymore.

It's so silly that some sites block addresses that weren't exit nodes.

Hey, you have no contact method in your profile. can you email me at my contact email in my profile? I have a question from a previous discussion we had.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by mptest »

delecti wrote: post #535
mptest wrote: post #524

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Wow, "backronym". Cool word. Interesting something can be widely accepted among a nation and have little to no surety about etymology

Just wait until you hear about "okay". It's widely used in languages around the world, and there are dozens of competing etymologies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_etymologies_o...

That was an incredible read. thank you for that. "Oll Korrect", Old kinderhook(!) , oke okeh, Ohne Korrectur. Etymology is awesome. I really overestimated how much we know about our own language I guess!
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