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He is not a good engineer or strategist. He is good at marketing though. He got lucky with Space X and the rockets launched. He got a shit-ton of funding for Tesla, the whole business doesn't make sense (competitors can do better with tighter margins) but people threw money at him, so it worked. So he thought he is a genius and can make this one work too. He realized his mistake (tried to get off the deal) but when t…

The current vision for SpaceX is great, the product as well. Let's not forget that the initial plan of SpaceX was to meet and get drunk with Russian leaders to buy missiles from them and resell them to US market. Imagine the nightmare if it actually had worked as planned. Regarding implementation in SpaceX, the success is mostly due to very good engineers and to a less bureaucratic process, where you can move fast an…

> Let's not forget that the initial plan of SpaceX was to meet and get drunk with Russian leaders to buy missiles from them and resell them to US market. Imagine the nightmare if it actually had worked as planned.

The story I've heard is that he wanted to buy a single missile, but regardless.. where is the 'nightmare' in disarming Russia by buying up all their missiles in a firesale? It seems doubtful that such purchases would have effectively funded the construction of new missiles since Russia is/was so corrupt. I think the money would have gone into the hands of some oligarchs, and not been invested back into new missile development.

Even if that plan had gone through, it would have been child's play compared to the ESA and NASA as well as numerous western corporations buying rocket rides from Russia since the mid 90s up to the second Russian invasion of Ukraine a few years ago. Go down the lists of Proton launches on wikipedia and mouse over each of the payloads, you'll see that most of them since the mid 90s have been for American or European organizations. Even ULA and Orbital Sciences have bought hundreds of engines from Russia and used them to launch US payloads. I don't see many people raking them over the coals for this. Has this even proven to be a nightmare? Western money has kept Russia's space program alive, but has that funded any successful 'Wunderwaffes'? Russia's military is still running off the fumes of the Soviet Union and their supposedly amazing wonder weapons either don't exist or aren't relevant. Most of that money probably went up their noses.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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You know, for all the talk about how twitter is going downhill and making stupid decisions, this is the only one so far that really, really, does seems stupid. Verification was bad and now it’s a joke, api rate limits have some possible argument etc - but why in the hell buy a household name just to change it? Why not build X from scratch?

> api rate limits have some possible argument

API rate limits for external API clients sure. API rate limits for their own application is insane (caveat, super high rate limits to prevent against truly exceptional use would be fine, but anything that impacts even the 98% user is nuts).

There’s no argument for it. Every goal of these sites is to increase time on site. A rate limit that kicked normal users of the site off in 10 minutes is… well, a truly and unambiguously bad choice.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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The Brand Toolkit page needs updating - https://about.twitter.com/en/who-we-are/brand-toolkit Not only does it still have the bird it says "Our logo is our most recognizable asset. That’s why we’re so protective of it. Take a moment to think about how you apply it and take a read of our Brand Guidelines for examples of how we like you to use it."

Doubt anyone who worked on that still is employed there. And even if, they surely weren't asked their opinion, nor informed about the decision.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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I don't know, putting 13 billion debt on Twitter and cutting ad revenue down to half seems pretty stupid too.

I hate to say this, but is there a good way to remove Musk’s ownership of the platform?

The only route is to wait for it to fail further and be reposessed by its creditors.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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I don't know, putting 13 billion debt on Twitter and cutting ad revenue down to half seems pretty stupid too.

I hate to say this, but is there a good way to remove Musk’s ownership of the platform?

Sure. Avoid the platform, continue to mock it and companies that use it to drive down its valuation to the point where he gives up and sells it for a massive loss.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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What does the path to success look like for "the everything app"? I can't picture it. So far it looks like they're acting like a FAANG in a "fake it til you make it" move to try to attract money. But not only do they not have the scale, Twitter is also losing its place as the reference app for live text updates.

That'll not fly at least not outside of the US.

Nobody (in power) want's a (foreign) app that can essentially ban a citizen from live arbitrarily.

Regulators are no longer asleep at the wheel when it comes to tech, as can be seen on the HN front page every other day, and in this case it might be better to have nothing than something controlled by Elon Musk.

Such an App is a political risk and the only reason it works in China is because it's basically an extension of the governemnt.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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Twitter has managed to get so many words to be common. Like it's a "tweet", not "a post on facebook". It's a "retweet" or "quote tweet", not "something I shared on facebook". Why throw all this deep brand recognition away? It's like people say "google it", and google suddenly changing the name of their search.

Elob has a fixiation on the letter. As I understand it, he wants to create a 'meta' platform for everything. I think in China such platforms exist (?). It's not to far away to say, that you need a 'meta' name for a platform like that. Probably wants to leave the 'private company' image and try to create an 'institution'. I hope it fails.

Eh, it's simpler than that - X.com was his first company, that became Paypal, that he was ousted from.

This is just basic old man 101: trying to regain the glory days of your youth.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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This man is burning anything that had any value at Twitter. From an extremely valuable list of verified users to the name which is even used as a verb. There is absolutely no reason to rename Twitter. The name isn't even that stained compared to like Comcast or what ever the name was of that phone company in the 90s that sucked so bad it was renamed.

The sheer genius of throwing away the brand of one of a handful of companies that has a phrase that has entered common parlance: hoover it up, google it, and tweet it. Feels like Musk has caught some of the PriceWaterhouseCoopers 'Introducing Monday' nonsense. At least we could attribute that to the dotcom madness.

It's the "New Coke" of websites.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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Can you explain to those who never saw anything in him, what you originally saw in him, and what changed?

I originally thought he seemed alright, when Tesla and SpaceX started to look like viable companies doing good and interesting stuff. Then he started fucking around with trying to fool the financial system by pumping and dumping stocks/cryptocurrencies, and started calling people pedophiles randomly and I'm guessing it was somewhere there I started to see him differently.

That was 4 years ago, long time before he buy Twitter.

Re: Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’

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It is fun to see the fall of Musk, I don't know anyone who defends him at this point, everyone I know (myself included) have changed how we think of him since he acquired twitter. He has become an egocentric man with need for acceptance.

I'll defend him, he's done great work at SpaceX and Tesla, and I hope he can somehow accept that he's failed at Twitter/X and move back to doing great work at Tesla/SpaceX. I don't expect it to happen anytime soon, he's got too much money, but people can do great things and not necessarily have admirable character overall or only have admirable traits in certain contexts. Edit: I'm ejecting this thread, Musk discours…

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