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Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Wouldn't full disclosure make them, in some sense, honest ? Also, you have just condemned entire nations of people, like those who lived under Soviet domination, where bribery became custom, because if you wanted to accomplish anything , you had to bribe the people involved. Just got married and want an apartment for your new family? You could submit a housing application, but it might bubble up to the top of the que…

He condemned accurately. The soviet system sounds pointlessly overloaded with middle men. Why not abandon the "official system with middle men bribes" and descend all the way into mafia families and protection rackets? No matter the empathy I have for the suffering. What is the point of offering a bribe, to bully the system, in the same way the receiver intends to break the rules? Just tell the truth and say the syst…

> What is the point of offering a bribe, to bully the system

Imagine your grandma needs urgent surgery and it is customary to give the doctor some money to 'ensure best results'. Will you refuse?

> descend all the way into mafia families and protection rackets?

You mean like some monopolized industries in the US have done?

> then you have to bribe, like the Soviets did.

Why Soviets, Bribing is the default way of society - Imperial Russia has no concept of bribery, if you wanted a government official to do their job, you had to pay them, and they set the price, thats just how the system worked.

Victorian britain was insanely corrupt too. Absence of corruption is unusual.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

#432

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This isn't a parody, right? I mean, surely no-one would (seriously) say this in public in real life? Right?

Andrew Tate said essentially the same. Turns out corrupt police don't like it when someone brags with that fact. Not that I'd shed any tear for Tate or the other guy though, both deserve all they get and more.

Here's what Tate said on The Fellas podcast:

> I like living in countries where corruption is accessible for everybody.

The emphasis here was on everybody because this followed a rant about how Western societies are corrupt where the rich gets to ignore the laws and he wanted to do the same. He said this in 2022 so whether he really did move in 2017 for this reason is impossible to say.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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I like this question because you explicitly ask me to agree with your premise that pedophiles and gay people are equivalent within your framing of this discussion and then follow it up with “my contention is something other than what I’ve clearly explained” Edit: For clarity, the post this is responding to originally started with “Do you agree that 'adult-adult-hetersexual' is the only orientation that has obvious ev…

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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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> Ultimately what drove me away was the literal flood of cp that was always right next to anything to do with tor, whonix, or anonymity in general. As a teen around 2003 I hosted a freenet-node (freenetproject.org). It generated 1TByte/month which I believe was a lot for the time. I shot it down and never came back, because the only things that ever loaded was cp and Chechnya rape and torture videos. Its not a networ…

It's the same thing with the old reddit alternatives. Very few people are actually going to bother purely for the sake of principles, so the alternatives end up flooded with the ones that are forced to alternatives for good reasons. If the mainstream Internet banned "dissidents" I believe such things would have more uptake by other types of users.

The threadiverse (Lemmy/Kbin), which recently became popular due to the Reddit API protests, is pretty healthy.

Of course, there are some servers catering to 'dissidents' (e.g. Lemmygrad, Exploding Heads), but it's easy enough to avoid those communities.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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All of them.

I am all-but-certain that NordVPN doesn't. I am in possession of records from a recent police investigation in which law enforcement subpoenaed NordVPN and the company replied, essentially, that they had no information connecting a particular IP address, at a specific date and time, to any specific user. (I am a reporter who covers law enforcement and crime.)

Then that is a service then which might be safe for people who's opponents are the police. But some people also worry about threats from the obscenely rich, from their own intelligence agencies, from foreign intelligence agencies, from organized crime, and/or from popular mob outrage.

Your experience doesn't indicate the safety of the service against those other threats, and not only may they not be correlated but they may be anti-correlated. E.g. I bet both CIA and mob run VPN services are really good at saying no to the police.

The fundamental thought that drives my opinion on this subject is this:

We already know for a fact that some state actors do broad scale full take surveillance of the internet. VPN services are even more attractive to monitor because the users are somewhat self-selecting as people who have something to hide, more intel bang per megabit monitored. Without surveilling VPNs these entities would have a blindspot in their expensive internet monitoring machine, so its important just for completeness sake. The VPN provider game is also a much lower barrier to entry, smaller players that don't have the power to push around AT&T can get in on it. Russia, for example, isn't in that much of a position to engage in world wide telecom monitoring (except perhaps that one fiber that goes through sibera and has really low latency between europe and china)-- but they sure can stand up some VPNs and get the worlds traffic to come to them.

Plus, if you run a VPN service people will pay you to run their secret data through you. It's a profit center even before you get to the potential revenue streams from abusing your position. Perhaps it becomes so profitable that you'd prefer to protect it and so you minimize your abuse, but the optimal amount of abuse will pretty much never be zero.

So, If you're the head of a clandestine service or serious organized crime group and you haven't launched at least one VPN service you should be immediately fired for grave incompetence.

The best reason to not run one would just be that you've already infiltrated many existing ones through operatives and backdoored hardware.

And also the heat you take running these services is much easier to deal with if you have 'connections' either of the run-by-a-TLA sort or the we-have-blackmail-material-and-can-break-your-fingers sort. And corrupt VPNs have a whole extra potential revenue/benefit source so they can afford to under-price any honest competition.

Given that, we should expect that many VPNs are honeypots. Probably not all of them, but by their very nature it should be hard to impossible to tell which.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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That's likely the starting place for the investigation, not the end.

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I don’t know how you think the courts work but your roommates looking at you does not end up convicting anybody. Used as perhaps part of justifying probable cause or convincing people to say enough to do a more thorough search, sure.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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> In Germany, we call such persons "geistige Brandstifter" for a reason. The "there's a world for that in German" thing is probably a good (but obviously imperfect) inoculation against extremist propaganda. I'm often frustrated that we don't have pithy little phrases specific to all kinds of bad behavior in English. It is easier to talk about things if they're given specific names.

You're free to adopt them in English. Such as 'schadenfreude'. We got a Dutch word for that; leedvermaak.

Yes, which we've done, but if I go around talking to people in Seattle about "Geistige Brandstifter" I have exactly one friend who is going to know what I'm talking about because they're German.

Language doesn't really work unless there's broad social buy-in, otherwise you're just talking to yourself.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Looks like there's more going on than what the title implies about the Tor exit node: > What do you do now? >§I left Austria and now work for a German company in IT, and have a data center in Kosovo… hosting grey area things there. Warez primarily. > Also, I do want to add that I have more backstory. The CP was not the only reason for the raid. He goes on to mention someone using the exit node to try to hack a NATO f…

It’s often more like “this dude is responsible for dozens of things, three of them are really serious, but this one is a really easy conviction”

Same reason why you saw organized crime figures convicted for tax evasion, that wasn’t really the big concern but it got the job done.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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There are many, many… It’s a little puzzling to me still why this is. Physical attraction to almost-adults isn’t some big mystery, but most cp is something else entirely.

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I think that there's a fairly standard distinction, that doesn't require any consideration of psychological mechanisms. Homosexuality can be practised consensually and nobody else needs to care, because nobody is harmed. Paedophilia can't be practised consensually because children are below the age of consent, and can be harmed.

Hence, paedophilia is classified as a mental illness, but homosexuality no longer is (in most Western countries, at least, I believe).

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